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Attn. ASBS: Commend Loop
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Topic Started: Jun 18 2013, 02:47:36 PM (724 Views)
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Jun 18 2013, 02:47:36 PM
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You expressed an interest in this. I'm just beginning the discussion here. Help me find the history and I'll start writing.
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Jun 18 2013, 06:06:22 PM
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While not ASBS, I thought I might attempt to help (or hinder, depending on how you view it). Anyway, here's what I found from a quick google search.
"Lotlanthanderamore took control of the region in April, 2003, but asked 1 Infinite Loop to take over temporarily in May, 2003. Lotlanthanderamore never returned to NationStates.
1 Infinite Loop took the delegacy on May 25, 2003, per the request of Lotlanthanderamore, and established the East Pacific forum on May 31, 2003 to promote regional activity. A few months later, a Griefer Armada took power using a UN Multi ring of over eighty nations, but the NationStates moderators restored Loop after a full investigation. To facilitate regional defense after a number of invasion attempts, Loop ratified the Articles of Confederation of the East Pacific on October 31, 2003, and established the East Pacific Confederation, a constitutional monarchy.
The East Pacific developed a strong off-site forum community during 2003, which soon became known for its roleplaying activities. The region functioned without incident until 2005, when 1 Infinite Loop convened a constitutional convention to facilitate citizen involvement in government. Codex drafted the Charter of the East Pacific at the constitutional convention with the assistance of Wachovia, Packilvania, Free Pacific States, 1 Infinite Loop, Kelssek, and Gnidrah. The East Pacific Charter provided for a more representative constitutional monarchy and superseded the Articles of Confederation on February 18, 2005."
"(1 infinite loop formerly served as the United Nations delegate of the East Pacific) Near May First of 2003 the nation of Infinite Loop arrived in the East Pacific, seeking to settle down in a small and sleepy region, however by the end of the month, dreams of Rest and relaxation were cast to the winds, as on May 25th Infinite Loop became Delegate. Three years later, on May 25th, 2006, Loop again hoped for rest. However, the day after turning over the Delegacy to Gnidrah, Loop was appointed Grand Vizier of the East Pacific, destroying his peaceful rest."
Sources: http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=The_East_Pacific http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=1_Infinite_Loop
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Jun 18 2013, 07:41:52 PM
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What stripe?
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Let's get Pack and EM to help with the background. I think many of the others are not available.
I think Loop is an appropriate nation to honor in this way, but I am not the historian of those times. I'll PM them.
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Jun 18 2013, 08:10:39 PM
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Thanks, all. I'll wait on Pack/EM.
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Jun 20 2013, 04:26:22 PM
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I am unsure of what anyone wants to know. The above is a fairly good representation of what happened. I can give more insight on early RP, the ADN attempts at power, and the original convention if needed.
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Jun 21 2013, 09:59:51 AM
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This can be found in the Naivetry Reference Library about 1 infinite Loop:
Military Blunders: Nationstates By Kandarin Chapter 1: The East Pacific
On the morning of Sunday, June 8, 2003, the government of the East Pacific collapsed as a UN multi seized control of the region and expelled hundreds of members. To the armies of the neighboring Rejected Realms, who had long coveted this region, this was a godsend. They had long been preparing to invade the East Pacific; however the vigilance of its Delegate, 1 Infinite Loop, had prevented any such invasion. Shortly after the collapse of the East Pacific, Rejected Realms troopers began moving in, beginning the largest invasion of 2003, and the first such attempt made on a feeder region.
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The invasion of the East Pacific was born out of a strong nationalism on the part of the Rejected Realms’ inhabitants of May 2003, and particularly their leader Gres. Gres had initially been an agent of the international conquering conglomerate Atlantic Central Command, who had gone rogue once established in the RR Delegate seat. Gres’ vision was that of converting the Rejected Realms from a haven of outcasts to a respected region.
Gres was a dedicated politician, who set about trying various means to achieve this vision. He lobbied the moderators for some form of ejection powers to bring law to the region, and, failing that, decided that the actions of the populace would do so. His plan also called for international respect, a difficult prospect as dislike for the Rejected Realms and its inhabitants were common at the time.
At this point, Gres faced several difficulties that defined the rest of his Nationstates career. Tainted by both ACC connections and his break from the ACC, Gres was not an internationally popular figure. In addition, the ACC was still a very powerful international force, and few neutrals existed that could be convinced to support a leader at odds with them. Gres’ solution, combining his goals of popular rule and international reputation, was to establish his own region as a military power and to achieve respect in the same way as the ACC had: through conquest. As such, he established the Rejected Realms Army to spearhead his new plan. Stationed in a satellite region, the RRA was fueled by recruiting advertisements posted in the RR’s World Factbook Entry. It soon gained several dozen active members.
At this point, Gres made a number of critical errors. First, he based promotions on how many endorsements an RRA soldier could achieve in the RRA region. Endorsement-swapping skill is a sign of political savvy, not of military ability or (as the world later learned) moral strength. As a result, he nominated a corps of officers entirely unskilled in the ways of war. Secondly, while glorifying endorsement-swapping among his followers, he neglected to do it himself as Delegate of the Rejected Realms. In addition, he allowed a friend to log in on his computer, always a dangerous activity for a UN member, much less a UN Delegate.
Gres’ final error was that he announced the target of his attack publicly and without delay. For a target he chose another feeder region: The East Pacific.
The choice of a target was no mistake, for The East Pacific was also plagued with problems.
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1 Infinite Loop was at the time a young Delegate, having received his post less than three weeks prior to the attack. Almost all of his time had been spent threatened by the RRA, and as such he was more uneasy than a new Pacific Delegate normally is when presented with their responsibilities. Loop’s reputation was also somewhat tarnished by the fact that he had initially left his predecessor’s World Factbook Entry, a variant on “endorse the Delegate or be ejected”, in place for some time before replacing it with his own entry.
Infinite Loop, like Gres, was not actively involved in endorsement-swapping and had inherited his position from the previous regime. To exacerbate this lack of communication, the East Pacific had no active forum; The current East Pacific forum had been established only a week earlier. With less than 50 endorsements, Infinite Loop made a prime target for any large-scale invader.
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Unfortunately for both regions, more invaders than just the early RRA saw the EP as a target. A serial griefer of unknown name had recently been plaguing Nationstates, seizing regions with large numbers of puppets and leaving only a website link to a “National Stalinists” website in the World Factbook Entry as the last remaining part of the destroyed region.
This National Stalinist griefer assembled 80 UN multi nations and attacked the East Pacific during the night of June 8, seizing the Delegacy. He was in the process of ejecting hundreds of nations, most notably 1 Infinite Loop, when he and his puppets were discovered and expelled from the UN. They were later deleted.
The subsequent power vacuum emboldened the RRA, but the RRA itself remained stationary. Gres had been camping for most of the weekend and was absent at the time of the griefing. Kandarin, one of Gres’ lieutenants, examined the situation with disappointment. As Delegate of the RRA’s puppet region, he commanded some authority but no official power over troop movements. Annoyed with the lack of movement orders in light of such a tempting military situation, Kandarin moved to the East Pacific himself, instructing all RRA soldiers to move there and endorse him. Several hours later Gres signed on and added his own voice to the move order.
The absence of their leader added delay to the RRA’s panicked situation. 1 Infinite Loop had returned to the East Pacific as soon as he could, and since the RRA was threatening the EP at the time of the griefing, most players first thought them to be responsible for the National Stalinist attack. International players began moving in to endorse Infinite Loop. Loop began campaigning vigorously to get his lost endorsements back.
Gres’ earlier error in computer security proved fatal; several hours after he returned to Nationstates, a UN multi check made of suspects in the griefing revealed that he had shared his computer with another player, and he was ejected from the UN. Gres was not connected to the griefers, but his reputation took a further blow. MrNonchalant, an ACC commander who had infiltrated the Rejected Realms during the griefing, began endorsement-swapping and became Delegate of the Rejected Realms upon update.
Kandarin’s forces were eventually outnumbered by East Pacificans, and by update 1 Infinite Loop once again became Delegate of the East Pacific. Upon doing so, he ejected Kandarin and almost all of the RRA forces in the region.
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What went wrong? First of all, in Kandarin, Gres had selected an officer who, while dedicated to the cause and skilled as a politician, was incompetent and over reactive in his role as a military officer. Kandarin lacked skill in dealing with his soldiers. He lacked understanding of interregional politics and the politics of feeder regions, and most importantly he ignored endorsement-swapping as a tactic.
Some historians credit the assistance of foreign regions for the East Pacifican’s return to power. However, a fact that is often overlooked is that both sides received heavy international assistance. The enigmatic Driftwood Beach Alliance supported the RRA’s attack. The myth later perpetuated by Pilmour, the commander of the expeditiary force sent from the region of North America, by far the largest supporter of Loop, was that North America’s armies were integral in Loop’s victory. However, they were ordered in and out of the region several times during the campaign, and many North Americans contested Pilmour’s right to command them, deserting his hastily-assembled army.
The fact is that Kandarin’s complete lack of endorsement-swapping crippled the attack. With thousands of UN nations in the region and no one taking advantage of the opportunity to swap endorsements, even a small campaign could have yielded dozens of endorsements for the invader- and the ability to easily hold the region after a victory, a tactic deployed later by the New Pacific Order on several occasions with great success. Instead, Kandarin relied entirely on Gres’ soldiers to win the battle. Kandarin had forgotten that no plan survives contact with the enemy, and the number he brought were tried and found wanting. The fact that Loop won the day by only three endorsements further demonstrated the RRA commander’s failure as a tactician to exploit a clear opportunity.
Gres had also neglected the home front element of his campaign. Although he was caught off guard by the battle, he failed both in the security of his nation and his region. For many (including Kandarin, for a short time), Gres’ removal from the UN by the moderators confirmed a rumor that he had been the National Stalinist griefer, which completely ruined his already damaged international stature. Even had he not been ejected from the UN, his lack of endorsement-swapping meant that the ACC would have overrun the Rejected Realms with or without Gres’ survival.
Finally, it is important to note that the public nature of Gres’ campaign against the East Pacific caused 1 Infinite Loop to be able to prepare himself for the coming attack. During the weeks leading up to the battle, Loop had been able to raise his endorsement count from 40 to 70. While this made no difference against the griefer, the raised awareness among the East Pacific’s residents allowed Loop to more effectively raise his endorsements after being ejected. Considering his slim margin of victory, it is clear that this, too, was a cause of Loop’s success.
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When the dust settled from the East Pacific campaign, the Atlantic Central Command was left in an enviable position. Having captured the RRA’s home region in a bold night raid, they took much of the credit for defeating the RRA’s invader threat. This improved their standing among those regions that had supported Infinite Loop. However, within six months of this victory, as a result of errors as serious as any Kandarin or Gres made, the ACC was barely a functional force, having been reduced to a very small size. We will discuss these mistakes in the next chapter.
I thought it might be good to know and/or add too.
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Jun 22 2013, 04:01:49 PM
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What has been posted is a really good examples. Its a lot of different facts about Loop.
Loop brought us caek and Fridge Owl (among other critters)!
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Jul 1 2013, 09:34:20 PM
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Any hopes of giving a commendation to 1 Infinite Loop are gone. At least for now. Deleted nation 1 Infinite Loop Founded: Antiquity Ceased to exist: Sat Jun 29 2013 Population: 20.126 billion Don't believe me? Try it yourself: http://www.nationstates.net/page=boneyard
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Jul 1 2013, 10:25:00 PM
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Huh.
Shit.
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He'll probably be back. Meanwhile, it seems your commendation achieved around 50 to 60% of the approvals it needed. Once things have calmed down I'll help you out with that and make sure it attains quorum this time.
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Jul 1 2013, 11:32:18 PM
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Oh noes!
I even found an old interview article http://theeastpacific.com/topic/982596/1/
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Jul 2 2013, 12:39:56 PM
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Let's hope he comes back.
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Jul 2 2013, 10:05:06 PM
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http://www.nationstates.net/nation=1_infinite_loop
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Jul 2 2013, 10:57:03 PM
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Ahh... good.
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Jul 3 2013, 11:57:48 AM
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Yay!
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Jul 26 2013, 06:21:13 PM
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I could take this on. I do have quite a lot of free time now.
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Jul 27 2013, 06:43:15 PM
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It's all good man.
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You've reached quorum! Congrats!
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Jul 29 2013, 06:00:51 PM
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You've reached quorum! Congrats! Yep, and in 4 hours or so it will be up for vote.
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Jul 31 2013, 02:49:15 PM
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What stripe?
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I noticed this in one of the writings Bach has been putting in the University Library.
- from "How Should You Govern a Super-Region?"
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It's also evident to me that how pleasant a region is for its players isn't completely a function of the type of government either. While the obvious examples of the results of the NPO and the NPD, both of whom seemed to almost discourage participation, will immediately leap from the keyboards of those who are blindly pro-democracy, I will cite a counterpoint: 1 Infinite Loop. While most of his delegacy he was more or less a government unto himself, all my experiences in the East Pacific region and on its forum were quite enjoyable; I have no complaints about my visits. By being permissive on speech and press, and fostering a fun and co-operative environment, Loop has held onto his throne at least as much by popularity as by the ban button and enforcement of endocaps. Still, I will fall on the side of democracy here, though not blindly. It's just easier to keep a free region than it is to find a good dictator, so a free region is the better route to take.
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Aug 1 2013, 11:17:34 AM
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It's all good man.
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I didn't want to give you an early congrats in case it didn't make it, but it looks like Commend ASBS will pass!
There's a little over a day's worth of voting left, but given the huge difference in for and against votes, I doubt the tide could change.
Congratulations to Ramaeus for writing a soon to be successful SC bill, and to ASBS for his commendation.
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Aug 1 2013, 02:10:34 PM
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Congratz! Just for that, I baked us some caek!
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Aug 3 2013, 02:52:18 PM
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The day is won.
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Aug 3 2013, 07:59:00 PM
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I totally posted the first congrats a few minutes after it passed. My phone must have goofed!
Anyways, it's about time you were recognized. Congrats and such.
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And OF is the number one debater of everything.
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[The East Pacific] is a region on laws rather than directed by the whims of the delegate/founder
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Kill the children!
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Aug 4 2013, 10:02:53 PM
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What stripe?
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I think this is supposed to be the Commend Loop thread. Thank you all for you kind words. It is a little overwhelming and incredibly kind.
Now, let's get to work on commending someone who is a pillar of our region's history (and brought us caek, fridge owls, and much, much more.)
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