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| Office of Treaties and Alliances | ||
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| Topic Started: Jul 2 2013, 07:20:55 PM (3,721 Views) | ||
| A mean old man | Jul 2 2013, 07:20:55 PM Post #1 | |
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The Office of Treaties and Alliances This Office will be comprised of the Delegate, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and appointed Advisors. Relevant to any proposal, Ambassadors are invited here as well, depending on the involved regions. Delegate: Bachtendekuppen Minister of Foreign Affairs: Old Federalia Ministerial Advisor on Treaty Affairs: Ministerial Advisor on Treaty Affairs: The involved officials and Ambassadors will negotiate, draft and edit the treaties and alliances at hand, either proposed by foreign regions or from The East Pacific itself. When finished, said proposals will be introduced to the Magisterium. Edited by Bachtendekuppen - 15/11/13 Previous version
Edited by Bachtendekuppen, Nov 15 2013, 10:07:41 AM.
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| A mean old man | Jul 2 2013, 07:21:51 PM Post #2 | |
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I would like to invite Ramaeus, East Malaysia, and A Slanted Black Stripe to join me in this Ministry. EDIT: There are others who I feel are also appropriate for this Ministry and I may expand it in the future to invite and include them. Edited by A mean old man, Jul 2 2013, 07:23:59 PM.
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| southern bellz | Jul 2 2013, 07:35:46 PM Post #3 | |
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Hive Drone
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The South Pacific would like to propose the following (still has to be voted on by the Assembly before ratified)
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| A mean old man | Jul 2 2013, 07:37:46 PM Post #4 | |
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Curmudgeon
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As soon as the Ministry is staffed we will begin discussing this treaty. I personally see no issues with this as it stands. Short and sweet. | |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Jul 2 2013, 10:06:23 PM Post #5 | |
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What stripe?
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As long as there is no conflict between serving as a Minister and a Magister, I am glad to serve in this role. | |
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| A mean old man | Jul 2 2013, 11:20:30 PM Post #6 | |
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Magisters have served as ambassadors in the past, and I don't believe the Concordat or legal code says anything about such positions, despite their role in the executive branch. We could ask the Conclave for clarification. | |
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| Bachtendekuppen | Jul 3 2013, 12:05:18 PM Post #7 | |
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Probably best to ask the Conclave, it's what they are for and it's certainly not clear. | |
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| Dernovia | Jul 3 2013, 04:40:45 PM Post #8 | |
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You got blood on my Suit.
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yeah, I mean I could make an ambassador if you guys want me too, I'm happy to help. Oh conclave please clarify this... | |
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I'm Always Drunk and Always Irish Member of the Magisterium- Since 7/3/213 Member of the EPSA- Rank: Private Member and Chairman of the (TEPDSP) | ||
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| Aelitia | Jul 3 2013, 07:03:31 PM Post #9 | |
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As far as I understand it, we are to no longer have Ambassadors of TEP. Between the Delegate and the new Ministry with all the fancy new Ministers, we should be all covered.
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| East Malaysia | Jul 4 2013, 01:26:43 AM Post #10 | |
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Laugh hard. Run fast. Be kind.
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I like reviewing, not writing things. Is that bad? Lol. Nonetheless format is not what matters because final drafts can easily be fixed by other people ;P I'll accept. Edited by East Malaysia, Jul 4 2013, 01:27:46 AM.
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| A mean old man | Jul 4 2013, 10:41:43 AM Post #11 | |
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We have one ambassador now.
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| A mean old man | Jul 4 2013, 10:42:45 AM Post #12 | |
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Waiting on Ramaeus. Come on, guys; let's get staffed and push this treaty through. Thank you ASBS and EM; glad to have you here. | |
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| Ramaeus | Jul 4 2013, 03:30:53 PM Post #13 | |
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Ex oriente lux
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Alright, alright. I'll join. I'll just need a crash course on it. | |
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Am I back? Who among you knows. Only I know. | ||
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Jul 5 2013, 10:54:23 AM Post #14 | |
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What stripe?
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How would you like to proceed? One of us could work with someone on the TSP side to iron out some of the formatting. I don't see a lot of substantive issues. I think there is likely to be general acceptance of this treaty in TEP. Or we could wordsmith and format it within this thread and then throw back over the wall to TSP. Just let me know. (I'm randomly online through much of this weekend. Doing family stuff for the holiday.) |
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| A mean old man | Jul 5 2013, 01:39:19 PM Post #15 | |
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I personally have no problems with it as it stands. I'm wondering if any of the Ministers do before we hand it to the Magisterium. This should be a fairly simple job. | |
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| Ramaeus | Jul 5 2013, 02:37:11 PM Post #16 | |
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Ex oriente lux
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I don't have any problems with it. | |
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Am I back? Who among you knows. Only I know. | ||
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Jul 5 2013, 06:21:59 PM Post #17 | |
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What stripe?
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Here is how I would suggest the treaty be formatted. Also, I have added a suggested 7th point. (I also think number 6 is unnecessary, but I have no objection to its existence.
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| A mean old man | Jul 5 2013, 08:20:40 PM Post #18 | |
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I agree with ASBS's proposed edits and have notified SB. I had overlooked the lack of a dissolution clause. |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Jul 6 2013, 01:34:14 AM Post #19 | |
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What stripe?
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If the others are in agreement, let us know when we should take it to the Magisterium. | |
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| Ramaeus | Jul 6 2013, 02:21:09 AM Post #20 | |
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Ex oriente lux
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I'm fine with the change. | |
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| A mean old man | Jul 14 2013, 12:51:55 PM Post #21 | |
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Apparently TSP's Assembly is being nitpicky with the treaty. We'll have to wait. I don't really see what there is to be nitpicky over. | |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Jul 15 2013, 01:23:36 PM Post #22 | |
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Is there any reason why we shouldn't propose similar treaties with other feeder and sinker regions (with exception of Osiris)? | |
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| A mean old man | Jul 16 2013, 11:46:52 PM Post #23 | |
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We probably should. It will be time-consuming but worth the effort. | |
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| southern bellz | Jul 18 2013, 06:04:52 PM Post #24 | |
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I apologize for the delay, but the Assembly took issue with some of the wording, and here is our counter proposal.
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| Ramaeus | Jul 18 2013, 06:11:58 PM Post #25 | |
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Ex oriente lux
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Why one week? Is there any reason TSP chose that length of time? | |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Jul 20 2013, 01:17:20 AM Post #26 | |
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What stripe?
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This is a bit of a muddle, isn't it?
When a treaty is dissolved, it's over. Holding the other party to treaty for another week, after they've said they're done, seems unworkable.
This is a rather complicated attempt to allow the treaty to be valid with subsequent governments that seem reasonably "constitutional." The earlier version was much simpler:
If TEP or TSP go through a constitutional process where some new "strange" process becomes the government (even though it may be "constitutional"), I believe either party may want to void the treaty. For example, suppose the new government of TEP required all Delegates, Magisters, and Arbiters to be women between the ages of 30 and 50. And this change followed the Concordat mandated processes, with appropriate amendments, etc. I don't think TSP will be held to the treaty. They can dissolve the relationship immediately.
I think this bit is unnecessary, but I have no objection. |
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| southern bellz | Jul 20 2013, 06:47:22 AM Post #27 | |
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1) I agree about the one week being strange and will advocate it's removal. 2) A lot of people in TSP took issue with the original wording due to the belief that Milograd would have fallen under constitutional government in for at the time of ratification. |
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| Ramaeus | Jul 20 2013, 05:10:57 PM Post #28 | |
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Ex oriente lux
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I find it odd that TSP wouldn't specifically outlaw a delegate going rouge. It seems like one of the first things you do after a coup of that magnitude, outlaw the actions Milograd took to coup the rightful government. |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Jul 27 2013, 01:32:32 PM Post #29 | |
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I've neglected this thread for a bit. Apologies. So we've had a bit of a discussion and my sense is there is some agreement (amongst those participating on this thread) that we can remove the one week notification. I don't think the current language in Chapter I (2) is enforceable. You can't force the other party to void the treaty when you have an internal coup or non-legitimate change in your government. The other party will either accept the new government or not. In the case of the Milograd coup, TEP did not recognize the usurper as the legitimate leader. Similarly, we have not accepted Gatesville, Inc. as the legitimate government of Osiris. Four years after the empire, we're still sensitive to those who would abuse the native population. I propose we go back to the earlier language. The reality is we can only make a treaty between the current existing governments.
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| A mean old man | Aug 7 2013, 11:45:00 AM Post #30 | |
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Edited by A mean old man, Aug 7 2013, 11:45:24 AM.
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