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A dilemma
Topic Started: Jan 21 2014, 02:36:00 AM (381 Views)
unibot
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This is a dilemma I faced and I'm curious how others would have chosen:

You're a commander of a defender military unit. Two regions are simultaneously invaded. One is a region you've never heard of, the other is your home. You only have time/men to save one of them and the other will almost surely be occupied and griefed.

Which region do you order your men to defend?
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Unibot now occupies himself with his propaganda, again under his age old assumption that everybody is an idiot apart from him, and that by indoctrinating the masses in his bizarre delusions he automatically gains control of everyones destiny.
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Unibot is a parasite; he flits around NS under the mantle of 'cosmopolitanism', loyal to nothing but himself and his own ideology. To him regions are nothing but potential converts, to be brought into the fold via subversion and manipulation.
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My home region. I fail to see how this would ever be a dilemma. The others can be helped once the home region is secured.
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The clue is in the phrase "defender military unit" and the answer is you defend the foreign region.

This may seem counterintuitive but it serves to strengthen the home region in the long run. Defenders ascribe to the principle of regional equality. All regions have an equal right not to be griefed. To favour one over another because it is the home region, would be antithetical to the defender cause. That would fuel the critics, who would quite rightly rain down on your home with calls of hypocrisy. "You say you value all regions, but you forsook a region in need, and only truly care about your own region."

So if you choose the foreign region, and the home region is griefed, it may or may not be tragic, but you have the opportunity to comfort them and repair the damage afterwards, it is your home after all, and as a defender you are well placed to organize a community migration or a refound in the fullness of time. In fact it's even possible that your home region already has a founder and he or she will become more vigilant after this incident.

You can also capitalize on the exchange by the fact the natives of the foreign region may then realize at what cost their protection came at. "How can we ever thank you?" Well they could become defenders and help prevent it happening to somebody else.

(As a disclaimer, I'd like to clarify that I'm not actually a defender I'm just simulating it.)
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Defenders ascribe to the principle of regional equality. All regions have an equal right not to be griefed. To favour one over another because it is the home region, would be antithetical to the defender cause.

While this is certainly an interesting objection, I invite you to consider that this principle of equality also means that the home region is not worth less because it's the home region. Phrased differently, favoring the foreign region because it's foreign could be considered unethical by the same principle.

I'd also like to add that even as a defender unit, it can be argued that the loss of the home region would be a severe blow - both practical and for public relations - damaging the capabilities of helping the foreign region(s) substantially.
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On the contrary, the loss of the home region, if played correctly, can strengthen a defender community. Scurrying to protect their own interests while there is an equally deserving region to be saved... that sounds like a dereliction of duty.

For example, the Eastern Islands of Dharma. I'm not saying the natives made a conscious choice not to defend themselves, but the delayed attempted liberation of Dharma was one of the largest attempted libs of the era, and its influence on the many participants is not measurable.

Being able to make sacrifices is part of being a great gameplayer.
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I'm with Bach. Secure your home first, then act to liberate others.
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Babiana
 
On the contrary, the loss of the home region, if played correctly, can strengthen a defender community. Scurrying to protect their own interests while there is an equally deserving region to be saved... that sounds like a dereliction of duty.

It is however possible that the home region being occupied could raise the questions how these defenders can be the saviours of others while not capable of holding their own? Moreover, as a Defender power, the interests of that power are beneficial to the interests of all foreign regions, directly and indirectly.
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Babiana
 
The clue is in the phrase "defender military unit" and the answer is you defend the foreign region.


I would suggest the clue is "You're a commander ..." Hence, I have answered what I would do.
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I should point out that the defender military unit was not a regional military -- the men under you are not also members of your home region. It is only you who has a personal attachment to that region.
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Unibot now occupies himself with his propaganda, again under his age old assumption that everybody is an idiot apart from him, and that by indoctrinating the masses in his bizarre delusions he automatically gains control of everyones destiny.
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Unibot is a parasite; he flits around NS under the mantle of 'cosmopolitanism', loyal to nothing but himself and his own ideology. To him regions are nothing but potential converts, to be brought into the fold via subversion and manipulation.
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Home, assuming one has enough allegence to their home region to defend it over all others.

I'm an old raider though, lol.
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*nods*
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Unibot now occupies himself with his propaganda, again under his age old assumption that everybody is an idiot apart from him, and that by indoctrinating the masses in his bizarre delusions he automatically gains control of everyones destiny.
Belschaft
 
Unibot is a parasite; he flits around NS under the mantle of 'cosmopolitanism', loyal to nothing but himself and his own ideology. To him regions are nothing but potential converts, to be brought into the fold via subversion and manipulation.
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Is the foreign region the home of any soldiers under my command? Since one of the regions will have to be liberated, which liberation would presumably be easier?

This isn't an answer to the question, just an observation. With twenty-twenty hindsight, it is apparent that anyone with a region they care about should maintain a nation in it which could immediately password the region in case the founder nation CTEs.
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Jan 21 2014, 11:39:13 PM
Is the foreign region the home of any soldiers under my command? Since one of the regions will have to be liberated, which liberation would presumably be easier?

This isn't an answer to the question, just an observation. With twenty-twenty hindsight, it is apparent that anyone with a region they care about should maintain a nation in it which could immediately password the region in case the founder nation CTEs.
I did. But I actually gave those nations to people I trusted (who could not serve as updaters for the liberation).
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Unibot now occupies himself with his propaganda, again under his age old assumption that everybody is an idiot apart from him, and that by indoctrinating the masses in his bizarre delusions he automatically gains control of everyones destiny.
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Unibot is a parasite; he flits around NS under the mantle of 'cosmopolitanism', loyal to nothing but himself and his own ideology. To him regions are nothing but potential converts, to be brought into the fold via subversion and manipulation.
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