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New Magister Candidate: Tim
Topic Started: May 15 2014, 02:38:55 AM (747 Views)
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Govindia, while your enthusiasm for the good of TEP is nice, it should be noted that personally losing a channel is not a reason to call someone negative to the welfare of a region. The problem with IRC logs lies in the fact that most of them are meant facetiously, either as a joke or as a deliberate troll. That takes a great deal of credibility away from any logs provided without clear context and more detail. Even more so, using a single log example to incriminate someone is possibly even more unreliable. You list many accusations, but provide very little detail to support them.

Your effort to defend the region from what you see as a threat to its welfare is laudable.

Trying to slay someone in this manner is not.
Edited by Xoriet, May 19 2014, 07:17:30 PM.
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Not a "Unibot"?

I pursued radical change because I believed TEP's traditions are flawed. The election system has flaws, the constitution has flaws, the justice system is backwards. I told you what I believed to be right because that was my constitutional duty as a citizen: to speak up when I saw something that I believed needed to be fixed.

I wasn't informed that "new ideas need not apply" at the front door of TEP's Magisterium. Interesting to see that now you are doing that... and using my name as a synonym for everything you detest.

1. If you continue to restrict your Magisterium anymore you won't have any citizens left, which given your hatred of change, might be an acceptable situation.

2. Republicanism is terrible, OF.

3. Tim has made a career off not being me.

EDIT: Nice to see my new title in TEP. Really mature. Fortunately, I'm an atheist.
Edited by unibot, May 19 2014, 08:06:57 PM.
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Unibot now occupies himself with his propaganda, again under his age old assumption that everybody is an idiot apart from him, and that by indoctrinating the masses in his bizarre delusions he automatically gains control of everyones destiny.
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EDIT: Nice to see my new title in TEP. Really mature. Fortunately, I'm an atheist.
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May 19 2014, 07:05:40 PM
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May 19 2014, 01:29:52 AM
I would advise the Magisters to vote AGAINST this application.

Tim is not someone that can be trusted. He will call you a friend and then work against you for selfish ends. He used to call me friend, and then not only did he seize the channel #nationstates from me, but also banned me with no legitimate, logical reason. I can accept the channel lapsing on ownership, but to ban someone he called a friend, when I didn't do anything wrong, is just cowardly and childish IMO.

He used to be friends with Wintermoot, until he led or helped lead attacks and public opinion against him while Wintermoot was President in Spiritus. This led to him, Charax, and Denth Rowan leaving the region because of such betrayal and spitefulness to create a new region, Wintreath, a new region that has fortunately thrived.

He has openly admitted on IRC:
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22:58TimI am a horrible person that takes advantages of situations which could give me further influence in places.
22:58TimThis is one of them.


How can you be trusted when you betray those whom you consider a friend, whom people consider you a friend? That's the idea of you know, friendships, where there's mutual trust and respect gained from that trust as well. You don't stab them in the back, or slap them in the face especially when they've helped you.

You may not be Unibot no, you're a different poison, almost as bad as say, Cormac. Poison is still bad. That is not something that is good for the Magisterium, people working against it for selfish ends, people who don't really care about this region as if it's their home. THis is my region, and this is my home, and we need people who want to help improve the region and care about everyone here. You don't care about anyone here but yourself.

You sell out a lot of people then try to seek people's arms under the friendship excuse. Sorry, no dice. I urge all Magisters to change their vote to NAY or AGAINST.
Greetings Fox News.

Let's take apart your statement one at a time, shall we? I did not seize the channel #nationstates from you. You let it drop, and I picked the channel up. Considering that you were holding the channel for a good part of a few years, and making people feel unsafe to go there, I chose to pick it up and see if I could create it into something better than a random trophy channel hanging around. One channel that should be seized from you, however, is #tep. You said you never had anyone ask for #nationstates from you, which is why you retained ownership of it. Yet, people have been asking for #tep to be returned and you have done nothing.

NOW we're getting into a situation that isn't even factually accurate in the slightest. You are not accurately informed on the matter in the slightest. What I *did* do was refuse to take a side between the feud that was going on between Former President Wintermoot and Minister of WA Affairs Salaxalans. I thought both sides were being rather stupid, and didn't want anything to do with it. So don't you dare try to twist a series events from the region that *I* founded, and expect get away with it. I'm not even going to bother further going on about how absolutely these claims are, because that'll just be feeding you for further bullshit retorts. If you're not a fan of me and Spiritus so much that you're willing to take baseless information and claim it as fact, then I welcome you to resign your Spiritus citizenship at your convenience.

I spent a good hour posting evil villain quotes in reply to your insistent demands to be unbanned from #nationstates. When I ran out of those, I started snarking. That quote would be what I said after the 10th or so time that you demanded to be given reason for your ban from #nationstates. I said it because I felt like saying that then openly yelling at you in a channel that a majority of Gameplayers don't feel comfortable around you. Furthermore, I really couldn't be bothered to deal with it while trying to keep myself on Honor Roll this quarter. There, I said it. Happy?

I really don't give a damn if you think I'm a poison, Govindia. I'm not here for selfish ends. Notice the pledges I've taken for both TEP Citizenship and Magisterium membership. The way I think of Nationstates, the only currency that matters is trust. Therefore, I like to keep a high amount of it around. What reason do I have to break oaths or try to screw over a region whose community I find so inviting and friendly (you now being the exception)? That's right, none. I'm here to try to involve myself in the region, because I wanted to join a friendly community with a cool dynamic. Don't compare me to Unibot, and his quest to influence all the GCRs of the world.

Please don't try to spin this into some situation where I sell people out constantly. You know how many people I've fucked over in the four years I've played Nationstates? Unless you count The Black Riders, I believe the count is three. Two were matters of Regional Security, and one was because they did it to me first.

Picking up the channel that one neglected to keep, with intent to make it a cultural hub in which as many people as possible would want to hang out, is not selling someone out. It's doing up a service for all of Gameplay, considering the name of the channel, and I've had quite a bit of people tell me exactly that.

I tried being polite for months, Gov, I really did. If you're going to freak out the second I do something you don't like, though, then I guess I'm done trying.


tl;dr for Magisters: The quote is out of context, Govindia is mad because I picked up the #nationstates channel after he let it drop, and I have no intent to screw over TEP


A few things:

1. I like how you don't actually address me by my name. My name isn't Fox News genius >_>

2. The situation regarding Wintermoot and Spiritus was clarified, so I apologise and take that part back.

3. If you are here to benefit TEP what have you done for TEP then to benefit the region? I haven't seen you do anything really. You going around with your snarky, childish, condescending attitude doesn't help anything. If you want to be taken a bit more seriously, A. be productive in TEP, and B. stop with the snarkiness and show a bit more respect, to myself as well as others.

4. I've never bothered anyone in #nationstates when I was active and if I was inactive then there is no rational basis to ban me, so try again. Why was I banned when I have not bothered anyone, hmm? Why couldn't you simply have just taken the channel without banning me? Why did you not even man up and speak to me about it prior? You have easy access to speak to me about, yet you didn't. You did it like a coward, behind my back, and couldn't even be mature enough to talk to me about it. So again, I ask, when I have not bothered anyone, why was I banned? Why will you not unban me when I have reasonably asked?

5. Really you tried? That is a bold faced lie. Trying involves giving a half ass about it (50/50), as opposed to doing your best to be my friend. You not only did not do your best, you didn't even do a decent half-assed effort. I remember whenever I simply wanted to chat with you just in general, you were either too busy, too ill, or you didn't care. Most of the time you didn't care about anything going on, so no, you didn't try. You hardly made attempts to speak to me or actually have reasonable conversation of your own. Even when you retired, you did not "try" to speak to me, and speaking with you was like trying to pull teeth. I am not freaking out. I am upset on the base principle that you essentially did the online equivalent of team betrayal, of team killing.

If you had come up to me and reasonably said:

"Hey Gov, you're not using #nationstates really, and the channel is about to lapse, mind if I use it? I'll keep it active, and you can join if you want."

I would have been like "sure." I trusted that you would have been reasonable Tim, and you screwed over that trust. That is not how friends behave.

If you can't even be honourable enough to treat your friends properly how do people know you're going to treat this community properly? Most of us here in TEP are reasonable and friendly and friends with each other. How can you be trusted when you've done nothing in TEP to show you can be trusted, much less show you can be trusted at all? You yourself admitted to being selfish and only concerned about your needs.

I look forward to you addressing all of my points.. Thank you.

unibot
May 19 2014, 07:55:07 PM
Not a "Unibot"?

I pursued radical change because I believed TEP's traditions are flawed. The election system has flaws, the constitution has flaws, the justice system is backwards. I told you what I believed to be right because that was my constitutional duty as a citizen: to speak up when I saw something that I believed needed to be fixed.

I wasn't informed that "new ideas need not apply" at the front door of TEP's Magisterium. Interesting to see that now you are doing that... and using my name as a synonym for everything you detest.

1. If you continue to restrict your Magisterium anymore you won't have any citizens left, which given your hatred of change, might be an acceptable situation.

2. Republicanism is terrible, OF.

3. Tim has made a career off not being me.

EDIT: Nice to see my new title in TEP. Really mature. Fortunately, I'm an atheist.


Unibot it's not that your ideals were radical. It's the abrasive manner with which you went about it, and insulted people who disagreed with you. You overreact and lash out at anyone who disagrees with you and the logs that were presented when you were charged show that. It's either your way or the highway with you. Sorry Unibot, this isn't Burger King, so you can't have the Whopper your way.

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Xoriet May 19 2014, 05:17:05 PM Govindia, while your enthusiasm for the good of TEP is nice, it should be noted that personally losing a channel is not a reason to call someone negative to the welfare of a region. The problem with IRC logs lies in the fact that most of them are meant facetiously, either as a joke or as a deliberate troll. That takes a great deal of credibility away from any logs provided without clear context and more detail. Even more so, using a single log example to incriminate someone is possibly even more unreliable. You list many accusations, but provide very little detail to support them.

Your effort to defend the region from what you see as a threat to its welfare is laudable.

Trying to slay someone in this manner is not.


It's not just about the channel Xoriet. I don't care if the channel lapsed. It's the principle from an honour perspective. Someone who I considered a friend, and was very supportive of, stabbed me in the back to satisfy himself and a few others for no logical reason. He's admitted to acting very selfishly. How can we actually trust him to care about the region when he can't even be truthful and loyal to his own friends? It works both ways.

What has he done for TEP? Nothing, pretty much. I have done a fair bit for TEP even before I ratified the new Concordat.

There are better people suited to the Magisterium and I believe Tim is not one of them.

That is why I urge the Magisters to vote NAY on his application.
Edited by Republic of Govindia, May 22 2014, 05:58:17 AM.
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Tim does not have to answer you. There is no rule that says candidates have to answer questions here. Threads like this are a throw-back to the time when citizens could object to candidates.

So please do not ask him any more questions about the Magisterium. What's done is done.
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