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| Misconceptions Applied to Regional Government | ||
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| Topic Started: Jun 20 2014, 03:31:27 AM (530 Views) | ||
| Old Federalia | Jun 20 2014, 03:31:27 AM Post #1 | |
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Misconceptions Applied to Regional Government Misconceptions plague TEP. Here is a list and their rebuttals. The Executive should be smaller than the Legislature. Although real nations have hundreds of legislators and no more than 25 ministers in the Cabinet, there are actually millions of government employees performing the tasks of any executive. Likewise, there is work to be done in TEP and the Delegate must delegate tasks. In fact, legislatures are not necessary. A region can exist as a monarchy, but it still needs an executive performing necessary tasks. Thus, regions ought to be heavy on ministers. Armies are important. The importance of any department is relative to its' necessity. Although inter-regional politics is centered around raiders and defenders, regions do not need armies. Regions need new nations. Thus, a Minister of Immigration or Tourism is absolutely vital. Foreign Affairs is important. The best UCR is 10,000 Islands. It is perennially the 10th largest region, right after the 9 GCRs. Despite its' size and activity, it is mostly isolated from the outside world. It does not sign treaties and does not seek new embassies with other regions. Thus, a region can exist without ambassadors, embassies or foreign updates. Separation of powers is necessary. Again, look at 10,000 Islands. Grub is a constitutional monarch in function but not title. As Founder, he is supreme commander of TITO and appoints ministers to the ruling body, the Council of Nine. The residents of XKI elect four senators and the Delegate, while Grub appoints three ministers and sits on the council as well, so 5 votes to 4 votes. It functions quite well if you ask me, and no one complains about tyranny or prejudice. Separation of Citizenship from the Delegate is necessary. The Concordat places the processing of citizenship in the Viceroy's jurisdiction. What crime would the Delegate commit that any Viceroy would not also commit? Quite simply, as long as the constitution sets the terms of citizenship, there is nothing either the Viceroy or Delegate can do to stop new citizens from signing up--except not process the application. If you ask me, a Delegate is more keen to process applications than the Viceroy, since the Delegate needs votes to be re-elected. Edited by Old Federalia, Jun 20 2014, 03:33:41 AM.
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| Aelitia | Jun 20 2014, 12:03:54 PM Post #2 | |
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To address your last point made, citizenship is in the hands of the viceroy for a reason. The viceroy has no vested interest in becoming the Delegate, and thereby has little reason to allow people in for the very simple Purpose of voting for them. The Delegate would have little reason to suspend naturalization, or may even selectively naturalize their supporters immediately prior to an election. This is a power equivalent to picking and choosing who can vote- a power which is not suited for the hands of a potential candidate. The Delegate is a partisan official, whereas the Viceroy is supposed to be the neutral moderator of the fair conclave. In theory, the Viceroy is THE position in TEP for objectivity. The delegate as well, would simply appoint or delegate for another group to do this. This is not different from what currently happens, but the process is currently under the control of a (relatively) uninterested party. The impled benefits of handing this power to the delegate will have to be explained to me, because as of right now, the impact seems rather negative. |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Jun 20 2014, 01:25:15 PM Post #3 | |
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I find it curious that you call these "misconceptions." These are all choices. The Executive can appoint as many ministers as he or she would like. It may be smaller or larger than the legislature. The legislature exists because most of TEP chooses not to have a monarchy. There have been many times when TEP has not had an army. People seem to enjoy that aspect of the game, so people have chosen to have an army. TEP has been almost isolationist at times. Now, there seems to be a choice to work for greater cooperation amongst the GCRs. Separation of powers is a tool to limit the risk of tyranny. A benevolent dictator can function well and perhaps no one will complain, but if the dictator suddenly becomes mean ... TEP chooses to protect itself from potential tyranny. The decision to have the Viceroy manage citizenship is also a choice. There are lots of other options. |
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| Tano | Jun 20 2014, 07:03:45 PM Post #4 | |
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I dislike the fact that you consdier XKI the "best UCR" simply because of its size. It chooses to be isolationist. We have not. We are not XKI. Also, the army has always played a small role in TEP. No one considers it necessary. However, that does not mean it is not an important fixture of TEP nowadays. However, I agree with your point about the Executive. I believe in having more executive powers in TEP. |
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| Tim | Jun 20 2014, 11:15:36 PM Post #5 | |
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I personally disagree. The East Pacific is not a real nation, and Nationstates Regions cannot effectively run like a real nation - with that many people. For one, we have people doing many government jobs at once whereas RL Departments like State have Ambassadors who do only, well, Ambassadorial stuff. What in RL takes a department of 100,000 people, say polling the nation for ideas, can be done in a region by one person. Remember, they have millions of employees for hundreds of millions of people. We have tens of employees for thousands of nations. When comparing it proportionally, it makes sense to have an Executive Government around the size of what most NS Regions have. Furthermore, I do think a Legislature is necessary. It acts as a voice for the citizenry, and helps be a check on an Executive Branch which could otherwise become tyrannical and execute what it wishes when it wishes. I think more people working in the Executive isn't a problem, but it seems to me that you're thinking of it far too radical.
I don't see how these two are related. A Minister of Integration, or something of the sort, would obviously be a welcome sight to see. Integrating and bringing in more nations into The East Pacific's community is a vital part of keeping this region alive and being the best Pacific. However, I think that The East Pacific, in the position that it is as a region, does need a military. Furthermore, I think that the Leadership of the EPSA is doing a damn fine job at keeping The East Pacific's military both prevalent and relevant, and I am excited to see it continue being successful. Having an active military allows The East Pacific to have both another avenue for participation, and stronger foreign relations with like-minded regions across Nationstates.
I'm sorry, but you are quite exaggerating the Isolationism of 10000 Islands. As someone who is on fairly good relations with members of 10KI, receiving the "Friend of 10000 Islands" forum masking, I've had time to both interact with the community there and assess many claims of its Isolationism. Yes, the region is more isolated than others. However, it's still quite active in its Foreign Affairs. They have over twenty forum embassies, many of which are quite active, and frequently participate in cultural events and other activities with regions such as Texas and Yggdrasil. It sends out regular Foreign Updates. It has Ambassadors. It has Embassies. I'm sorry, OF, but you're sorely mistaken by your analysis of 10000 Islands as the insanely isolationist region you are choosing to paint it as. Transitioning from that, I must disagree with you that Foreign Affairs is not important. Yes, a region can exist without ambassadors, embassies, or foreign updates. However, this region would be suffering from a fairly dull existence as Foreign Affairs, especially in Nationstates, keeps regions thriving and competitive. Things such as inter-regional Cultural Events drive activity and bring exciting occurrences to Citizens. Having regular Foreign Dispatches allows for those who wish to write, such as the journalists of the region, to write articles that will then be seen all throughout the world. Ambassador Corps act as yet another avenue for participation in the Executive Government, allowing for citizens to branch out and find out more about the NS World while serving a vital purpose for their region while doing it.
Once again, I must disagree with you. To start, the obsession over 10000 Islands is growing tiresome, to say the least. We are not 10000 Islands. We have a different history, a different community, and a different type of region. To take everything about it and start comparing it to The East Pacific, side by side, is apples and oranges. However, to address your points directly, a change to a system like this appears to require a massive change of both the TEP system and the TEP community - changing what we're all about. Finally, I assure you that TITO is not without complaints about tyranny or prejudice. My Exhibit A would be the player known as Eist, a TITO High Command, who ended up quitting both 10000 Islands and TITO due to what he cited as absolute antiquated tyranny from Grub. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but the gist is there. Furthermore, since then, I've spoken to multiple members of TITO who have spoken harshly regarding the leadership structure. To put it simply, just because you don't see any public drama doesn't mean there isn't any drama. It just means that some regions are better at keeping their dirty laundry outside of the halls of the Gameplay forum than others. A separation of powers is absolutely needed to keep various government branches in check with each other - otherwise risking the freedom and civil rights that citizens have. In my mind, if people wanted no separation of powers than they would have gone somewhere else besides for The East Pacific; such as one of the more authoritarian regions out there.
The Concordat does indeed place the processing. This is due to the Separation of Powers that I speak about above. By keeping it from the Delegate, it means that there is less tyranny and corruption within the system, though it can obviously still sneak through. You say that the Delegate should be the one processing applications as they need votes to be re-elected. I don't see the logic in this whatsoever. It is exactly because the Delegate (or Delegate Candidates) is, assuming they're running, trying to get re-elected why they shouldn't have any control over Citizenship. It allows for far too much exploitation, as they can simply deny people they know won't vote for them and then pump in puppet voters who they know will support them without any question. No, Separation of Citizenship from the Delegate is not only necessary, but it is proper and should stay that way. Those are my two cents on the matter. Feel free to reply. |
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| Infinite Loop | Jun 20 2014, 11:21:40 PM Post #6 | |
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TEP would be so much easier if they had made me founder back in the day, I had long ago suggested a temporary founder idea where you have a gcr with the same group for a year or so then the mids appoint one of the group as founder who remains until they are bored and move on their main job is just to be a failsafe there is probably more that can be thought up for the idea if we considered resubmitting it to the game | |
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| Ramaeus | Jun 21 2014, 02:09:38 AM Post #7 | |
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| Prussia | Jun 21 2014, 08:58:06 AM Post #8 | |
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Way to insult all of my beliefs...10KI is *not* the best, its simply the largezt. I believe in all of these "misconceptions" |
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| Bachtendekuppen | Jun 21 2014, 09:43:19 AM Post #9 | |
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What some see as misconceptions, others see as fundamental values and others see it simply as choices to be made when governing a region in this game. I, personally, adhere to the latter of those options. We have a certain system in place and like any system it has some core principles. This system also goes together with the history and culture of TEP: it was all grown piece by piece to what it is today. Does that make it, in absolute terms, better or worse than other systems, other options? No. It's simply the one we chose, the choices that work for us in this region. Concerning some specific points, there are some things to be said: 'The Executive should be smaller than the Legislature.' The Executive was non-existent and only compromised of a Delegate and a General. So yes, it had to be larger and so happened: we have an Executive of about 6 Ministers/Directors, and the Delegate (EPSA, EPPS, Ministry of FA, EPNS, Culture&Education, WA Ambassador). We have 16 Magisters. But you have to keep in mind that most of the regularly active Citizens are involved somewhere in the Executive. Be it as journalist, Ambassador, soldier of EPSA, law enforcement, .. . If you count all those, the Executive is certainly as large as the Magisterium already. Absolute numbers are simply the wrong standard to judge this matter. What a region needs is an Executive fit to the task, organized and capable. We do that in our own way, other regions do what they see fit and what works for them. "Armies are important. " & "Foreign Affairs is important. " Actually, these two belong together. The EPSA has been absolutely vital to profile TEP in the interregional sphere and a functional FA Department is needed to sustain that profile and interact with other diplomats and departments. Are they important? On an external level, yes. Even if a region is isolationist in policy, it will need some sort of way to interact, even sparingly, with other regions. Could you do a region without it? Certainly. Can you do a GCR without it, given all circumstances of the game? I suspect not. It's a choice to be made, but I believe that the renewed FA Department, as the old one was something that needed to be fixed, goes a long way towards putting TEP on the map. I'm not commenting on the others as I don't have anything to add to what has already been said. The question is never whether something is theoretically needed or not, and whether they are inherently misconceptions or not. They are certainly things to think carefully about when running a region, when legislating and it is certainly something we can have an open discussion about. The moment we stop reflecting on ourselves is the moment we start to fall into stagnation. But the most important aspect of every reflection on the system and policies of this region should always be "what works for TEP?". |
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| Xoriet | Jun 21 2014, 02:44:43 PM Post #10 | |
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"Armies are important. " & "Foreign Affairs is important. " I would not say that the EPSA is vital to the existence of the region, but it is a way to support FA in a way that is not always acknowledged. Remember the TNP-TEP treaty that recently passed? The EPSA and the NPA worked together on an operation to promote regional cooperation during the voting process. And it was a success due to us calling in allies as well as enforcing our numbers, as we were able to secure over thirty endorsements to support the mission past the initial seizure. Not only that, but we have a regional embassy with Warzone Asia, which has a budding community. The fact that the leadership of EPSA was able to negotiate a ceasefire between our government and theirs without having to involve everyone in the FA department of both Asia and TEP is a sign that the EPSA is, in fact, more than capable of benefiting the region in the FA area. Oh, and what about during Laz' recent switch from Delegate Kazmr to Regents Stujenske and Hobbes? EPSA moved in to offer them support during the transfer. We have alliances that are meant to mutually support each other. Since then EPSA has both supported and received support from our allied regions. It may not seem so to some, but EPSA provides a more interactive way to promote relations between TEP and allies. And regardless of what anyone says, I do not believe that isolation is the way to secure TEP. We forge alliances for the benefit of TEP, and a military can further support the created bond between the regions. Military alliances exist in GCRs to support our region and the regions of our allies. I am sure you have noticed how many of our treaties have entire sections and clauses dedicated to mutual military recognition and intel. Perhaps it is not absolutely necessary, but if you say that EPSA doesn't accomplish much for the region, that is something I will not agree with. I believe personally that a GCR without a military is a GCR that is missing out a major opportunity to support regional cooperation. If the military of a GCR is successful, active, and able to secure assistance from other regions/organizations, it is a way to promote the recognition from other regions. I have worked hard to ensure that EPSA centers on no particular R/D stance. The fact that we don't want to isolate one side or the other contributes to the success of the military itself, and it ensures that we are not seen as inflexible. And inflexibility and isolation is something that should concern TEP. ESPA itself is an area of TEP that has secured the interest of a number of citizens and government members alike, and I personally find it to be my most enjoyed area of the East Pacific. Not everyone is satisfied with places in the legislature and government. Gameplay is a way to catch the interest of such members of our region. The fact that EPSA has continued on since AMOM created it is evidence that it is a part of TEP that many people enjoy. Also, keep in mind that AMOM created it to make the region more active. Doesn't that say something about our military that even my analysis of EPSA may not have convinced you of? Edited by Xoriet, Jun 21 2014, 03:01:43 PM.
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| Old Federalia | Jun 22 2014, 09:16:38 PM Post #11 | |
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I can't reply to everyone. It really pains me that these few words are being blown out of proportion. I wish people would judge my "ideals" from my actions. Let me elaborate. I define "misconceptions" as ideas that aren't properly questioned. As ASBS said, TEP's institutions were created by conscious choices. I made this thread, and started a Constitutional Convention to initiate questions. Why? Because I believe TEP can be better--because I believe everyone has an idea they can contribute. To stay the same is to stagnate and slowly crumble. Many of us remember how slow 2012 was. As so many of you have pointed out, the army was started to give people something fun to do. In fact, TEP has morphed from a roleplaying region into a region at the relative center of diplomacy and military gameplay. So before anyone else defends the utility of foreign affairs and the army, please understand my position. I am not an ideologue, and my beliefs about region building come from trial-and-error. As an example, in highschool I trained the junior varsity squad of an obscure sport for JROTC. I tried to explain to the teacher/coach that the younger students needed to be shown the basics of knot-tying before being timed. I was ignored until one day I was left in charge and used that chance to patiently show each team member how to tie their knot. Each person only got faster by a few seconds, but it added up to greatly diminish the team's overall time. Likewise, the exciting bits of NS, such as the diplomacy and army, are being slowed down because TEP doesn't have the right structure for recruitment. As problems have arisen, they have been dealt with. However, each "fix" is a band-aid. CitiCom is a band-aid, the Second Education Act is a band-aid, and so are the many amendments to the Concordat. This election is an example that TEP is full of people who aren't yet involved. The poll had 48 people vote, and this election has 40 people vote. I have a plan to use the University to train them, but there is just too many and I don't have enough time while also Foreign Minister and Provost. Because each person has something to contribute, TEP ought to strive to have conversations like this. I am floored to see people respond, even if they aren't happy with my pronouncements. This is my invitation to bring your ideas to the table. Edited by Old Federalia, Jun 22 2014, 09:18:44 PM.
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| Tim | Jun 22 2014, 10:08:30 PM Post #12 | |
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I liked the part of that statement where you didn't address *any* of the replies to you; especially considering they weren't blown out of proportion. You made fairly extreme declarations, we replied in turn, and now you appear to be refusing to answer any of the retorts to your initial declarations. Does this mean you concede and admit we are correct?
Some of these ideas don't *need* to be questioned. Furthermore, if you want them to be questioned then prepare retorts for the counter-points to them, otherwise it simply shows that we're right since no rebuttal can be found from you. Trust me, I'm more than okay with that, but I'd still rather have an actual debate here. Edited by Tim, Jun 22 2014, 10:13:58 PM.
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| Old Federalia | Jun 22 2014, 10:47:12 PM Post #13 | |
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Tim, this thread has exploded into a wall of text written by people who are otherwise silent. Can anyone point to another thread filled with such striking analysis from such an array of people? I want to see people engage the status quo. For example, in my campaign thread, you and others raised points against the GoogleDoc citizenships. However, the problem was already solved because I had engaged the status quo and proposed changes to the Citizenship process. That's what I want. I want people to seek out problems and suggest solutions. My argument isn't words, it's my actions. I only hope people will see my actions as an example that they should follow. ___________________________ Tim, you have made the mistake of trying to nit-pick every word I say. If I were to try to debate you, you would jump the gun and turn the debate into a vitriolic fight with the intention of painting me as a meanie-head who hates the army and foreign affairs, and all the progress TEP has made. In reality, it's just the opposite. I've been Foreign Minister for 8 months and dearly enjoy my job. Foreign affairs is an exciting part of NationStates and every region should try to engage others. My "misconceptions" are just a challenge to my regionmates to understand my perspective. My perspective is that TEP would be stronger with an Immigration Ministry. Many hands make light work, so the more the merrier. People like Aelitia, Bach, East Malaysia and god-emperor have engaged many different parts of the region to improve it. It's people like that who are leading TEP's progress. You are unwilling to give me any credit. My intentions are only to propel TEP forward. Edited by Old Federalia, Jun 22 2014, 10:58:04 PM.
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| Juris Lancaster | Jun 22 2014, 11:43:50 PM Post #14 | |
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Juris: On the Subject of Citizenship and its Administrators
I fail to see how this is a "misconception" about regional government. More or less, I see this as a preference choice. I have been in various regions, and I personally have seen and witnessed executive ministries approve citizenship. However, those ministries are bound by the law. Therefore, a denial of citizenship could be challenged in court. Which brings us back to the fact that the Court system effectively controls the Citizenship process.... which is what we do now..... Your point is moot. Edited by Juris Lancaster, Jun 22 2014, 11:49:56 PM.
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| Xoriet | Jun 23 2014, 11:48:36 AM Post #15 | |
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Yes, OF, you have successfully poked me into writing long, drawn out text walls for the first time since the Identity Act. Moving along, we arrive at isolationism, and in acknowledgement to your statement on XKI and that policy, address it.
A region can so exist, but a region without ambassadors, embassies and foreign updates is a region that is lacking in the ability to maintain relationships with the international community - and lacking in the ability to bring in support should our position ever be threatened. How about we consider the eternal bogeyman and one-time greatest enemy of the East Pacific: Empire. Tim pointed it out earlier and I shall make a case on it as well. TEP had fallen into inactivity during the time. Who is to say that we would never again fall into that state? The chance of this actually happening isn't entirely unrealistic. Would we want that to happen again, and have the other GCRs and the UCRs shrug because they have no connection to us? The purpose of sharing information and staying relevant to the international community is far more vital than it has been credited here. The mindset of some could well be "Better them than us." What about our community? Some of our our most active and well-liked members - GE, for example - have a cosmopolitan background. Isolationism eventually encourages intolerance to people outside of the region every bit as much as ideology encourages intolerance to those batting for the other team. TEP has made issue of cosmopolitans on numerous occasions - and we are not even in a state of isolation. So if we apply this, we no longer have people like GE in the region. First though, let us pay tribute to GE's accomplishments. He has singlehandedly revived the hitherto inactive and somewhat neglected EPPS and made it an overwhelming success. He has also been my most constant support in EPSA since joining the military and someone I value highly as a friend. Now, let us subtract GE because intolerance made TEP unattractive. What do we have without GE? Well, we have managed to successfully repel or reject people who have gained experience from other regions because of this aforementioned intolerance put into practice. Such loss leaves us with a distinct lack of diversity in the region, contributing to eventual stagnation. OF, you've said yourself that you questioned him for identifying as Imperialist. Babiana did the same, and even I was a little wary of it at first. Had we all given him a vote of no confidence, EPPS would likely be devoid of activity and EPSA would not have achieved much of what it has to date. Now apply this reasoning based on identifying as Imperialist and place cosmopolitans under the same cross-examination. A question of loyalty due to personal preference provokes bias and suspicion in the majority. How many of you would actually stick around in a region maintaining that policy long enough to make an impression on the native government's collective suspicion? Isolationism in a GCR feeder region certainly is sustainable - by jeopardizing both our security and our active community. (Sorry for picking on you, GE )*Clarification: Rather than a case for cosmopolitanism, this is simply a conjecture on how a loss of diversity and experience would affect the region in question. Edited by Xoriet, Jun 23 2014, 04:23:00 PM.
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| Prussia | Jun 23 2014, 12:28:03 PM Post #16 | |
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Yes OF i am silent. Yes my two sentence posts make a wall of text. |
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| Tim | Jun 23 2014, 01:54:48 PM Post #17 | |
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How dare you be a complacent sheeple, Prussia! Shame be upon thee!
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| Old Federalia | Jun 23 2014, 04:31:38 PM Post #18 | |
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Xoriet, do you want a larger army? Here is a list of potential recruits: http://theeastpacific.com/topic/5173726/ Let my actions speak louder than my words. I WANT A STRONG ARMY! My listed misconception that "Armies are important," is meant to illustrate the priority of the army in relation to simple recruitment and training. First prioritize the University, then the Army will benefit. Is my plan working? We have tons of newcomers! So far it is working, but I can't do it alone. I do not want an isolated or pacifist TEP. I want TEP to be the model of excellence. It is my intention to strengthen every part of TEP. But it starts with the "all-important" University.
I'm not your enemy. I do not want to debate you. You seem frustrated or angry. I know you are a talented NSer with lots of ideas. Despite our disagreements, I want to give you the opportunity to enact change! TEP is greater than the sum of its' parts. We need to work together. I don't have all of the answers, but my plan is simple: Give people the skills and opportunities to work, and reward them for it! Then, with the advice of the Magisterium and ambassadors, I'd like TEP to cooperate with other regions in the areas of the World Assembly, Military Gameplay, Cultural Events and Competitions, and Roleplaying. That is why I challenged these "misconceptions." Only for the chance to provide a blue-print for strengthening what has already been built. Edited by Old Federalia, Jun 23 2014, 04:35:55 PM.
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| Tim | Jun 23 2014, 07:01:20 PM Post #19 | |
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Your want to have a strong army. Good, your opinion is noted and agreed with. However, I can't on any principle agree with you on the matter of prioritizing the University so the army can benefit. First of all, you seem to be coming to the conclusion that the "army" and "recruitment and training" are two different things. Last I checked, training and recruiting troops are part of how an army operates. If I'm not mistaken, you're also not a member of the EPSA, so you can't exactly make the generalization that the army has no priority in regarding recruiting and training its troops. As someone who has been a Military Liaison to the EPSA, I assure you that it certainly does recruit, and it certainly does train. As someone who has also worked with EPSA on numerous ocassions, I assure you that its troops are well trained and very capable updaters. In fact, I think it to be an insult against Xoriet that you choose to make such generalizing remarks on the matter. Instead of joining this "ROTC", at the University, I don't see why potential recruits shouldn't be instead already enlisting in the EPSA - where able Officers can show them the ropes in the manner that they deem. From quickly looking over your course, I notice a statement saying
To my knowledge, and correct me if I'm wrong, but those don't happen. Furthermore, I don't see why training and recruiting EPSA members should be going to a University Class and not to the individual who is appointed by the Delegate and then confirmed by the Magisterium to run the army. To my knowledge, Xoriet holds the position because both Bach and the Magis thought she was the most capable person for the job. Why then, I ask, should she not be the one training the troops, especially considering that your "practice missions" have not happened. The University might be important for things such as introducing people to NS Politics, but recruitment and training for the EPSA should be going to the EPSA - not to some University Desk. As someone with 4+ years within GP, I've found that the best way to train R/Ders is not by having them read a guide but by having them do operations. The EPSA does operations, and it could certainly use more troops to do those operations. I don't see a need for this TEP University Military Academy, personally. |
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| Old Federalia | Jun 23 2014, 08:43:35 PM Post #20 | |
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I agree with you. My third Act as Delegate, after offering the Viziers the chance to practice, and changing the WFE and welcome TGs, is the following:
Here is the link to the list of things I want to do: http://theeastpacific.com/single/?p=8031187&t=5188797 The new Citizenship thread and Guide to The East Pacific (LINK) have helped a lot of nations join TEP and the University. The University is too much for me to do alone, and there is no reason the already functioning ministries can't teach recruits. That's also why I wrote the Second Education Act (LINK), to give the Delegate to power to organize the University better. |
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| British Grand Pacific | Jun 24 2014, 04:33:42 AM Post #21 | |
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We are the Misfits, Our Songs are Bitter
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I was waiting hear if you'd give in to the bait and make a snide comment. That is exactly the personality trait that I find dangerous for a delegate to possess. Thank you for lending credence to my concerns. | |
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| Old Federalia | Jun 24 2014, 06:06:40 AM Post #22 | |
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That is not snark. You're mistaken. Unfortunately, text does not reveal the tone of my voice, mood, or body language. As Foreign Minister, I always advised Bach to take the higher road. As Delegate, I would do the same thing because accomplishing long-term goals is more important than temporary satisfaction. Additionally, I believe that I have shown maturity and impartiality as an Arbiter and as Provost. Edited by Old Federalia, Jun 24 2014, 06:20:26 AM.
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