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Action on the status of "1900 A New Century"
Topic Started: Feb 3 2015, 08:25:01 PM (213 Views)
Prussia
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Fellow Citizens of The Confederated East Pacific,

After carefully examining the status of "1900 A New Century" I have come to the conclusion that he should be immediately stripped of the title of "Magister". As can be seen in his profile, 1900 ANC has been banned from not only the forum but the region. In fact his nation has been deleted by the NS administration team. After speaking to the NationStates moderation team, it has been confirmed that 1900 A New Century is the same person that was banned in 2010 by the Conclave - Anur-Sanur. It is known that Anur-Sanur was a puppet of the now infamous Frak who has been granted DOS status from the NationStates moderation team and is instantly deleted anytime he is spotted. Citing his banishment from the region, I have come to the conclusion that 1900 A New Century was never eligible to become a citizen and thus never eligible to join the Magisterium. It is due to this lack of eligibility that I have decided to remove him from the Magisterium. However, I am allowing a 24 hour objection period before I officially change his status. If two objections are generated by two separate citizens of The East Pacific by 8:20 PM EST on 2/4/2015 I shall instead take this to the Magisterium and motion for a vote to banish him from the Magisterium which would conclude one week after the opening of the vote.

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I object.

Not because I think "1900 A New Century" should be allowed to stay.

I object to the Provost asserting powers that are not granted to the Provost by the Concordat.

The Conclave may remove a Magister by a majority vote.

The Magisterium has processes defined within the standing orders for the suspension and removal of Magisters. If this is a Provost-led action within the Magisterium, then follow the standing orders. If this is a request to the Conclave, then make such a request.

In my opinion, it is a very dangerous precedent to let the Provost single-handedly remove Magisters without following established process.

It may be true that "1900 A New Century" should not have been eligible to become a Magister. If so, then shame on all of us for not vetting that Magister candidate properly.

We already have a process for correcting our mistakes and it should be followed.
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Update: Magisterium has elected to vote on ANC's removal.
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Feb 3 2015, 08:39:21 PM
I object.

Not because I think "1900 A New Century" should be allowed to stay.

I object to the Provost asserting powers that are not granted to the Provost by the Concordat.

The Conclave may remove a Magister by a majority vote.

The Magisterium has processes defined within the standing orders for the suspension and removal of Magisters. If this is a Provost-led action within the Magisterium, then follow the standing orders. If this is a request to the Conclave, then make such a request.

In my opinion, it is a very dangerous precedent to let the Provost single-handedly remove Magisters without following established process.

It may be true that "1900 A New Century" should not have been eligible to become a Magister. If so, then shame on all of us for not vetting that Magister candidate properly.

We already have a process for correcting our mistakes and it should be followed.
I'm happy to see the Provost go through the motions, however you're stating the removal of Frak/Anur-Sanur/Horak/1900ANC is precedence for the removal of political rivals. Stop and think about that argument for a moment. Removing a person previously banned by the Conclave is equal to removing a political enemy. This is where I should post a Picard-Riker double facepalm.

The Provost is enforcing a four-year old sentence handed down after a legitimate trial before Conclave[1]. NS Admin linked the nation to the player in a GHR query and not one citizen of TEP batted an eyelash when I stated that I removed citizenship and placed a ban on the account. Yet now we're in an uproar because Prush wanted to remove him from the Magisterial roll? I can't believe we're going to dance around and make people jump through hoops to remove the name of a person banned from this region four years ago when we gave exactly zero damns about stripping his citizenship for the exact same reason.

Elements of TEP's government are slowly growing more and more ridiculous.



[1] TEP vs Anur-Sanur (Nov. 2010)
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BGP, we simply disagree about process. Established procedures exist. The Provost is not empowered to enforce sentences handed down by the Conclave.

(The Conclave is empowered to do enforce the sentence and could easily eliminate all of this hyperbole that you've thrown into the discussion by simply removing the offending party from the Magisterium.)

I am not in an "uproar" and I disagree that we are making "people jump through hoops." We are simply following the processes defined by our systems.

Also, I hope Prussia will be a proactive Provost, routinely suspending those Magisters who are not participating. We put this process in place when Bach was Provost and it is an effective way to manage the membership.
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There is no reason it should so require many hoops to remove a Conclave-banned individual's puppet illegally admitted to the Magisterium. Either way, it is no longer the Magisterium's concern. The Conclave will move faster on this.
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There is no reason it should so require many hoops ...


What are all these "hoops"? It is one simple vote by either the Magisterium or Conclave. Things that both of these groups should be doing on a regular basis.
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