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Topic Started: Oct 9 2016, 03:16:57 PM (2,981 Views)
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The purpose of starting this discussion is to get The East Pacific back on pace. To do this, we must be honest as a region. We as a region are not the active region we were once known to be. We're again viewed as isolationist by some and sometimes have difficulty getting new members to stick. The game has changed technologically yet our processes are somewhat outdated and do not reflect all of these changes. This is not good. That scenario reminds me of pre-empire TEP. We're better than that. But we also could use help as a region to pull ourselves out from venturing down that path.


This is what I propose:
First, we pause the government and everyone is on the same playing field. We announce to the world that we're interested in re-connecting but really could use help with getting our region up to speed. Hopefully this'll attract some vets that might be in a rut. This forum will be used to gather ideas and figure out where we will go. It will be open to citizens and non-citizens alike, but any voted on changes will be registered as citizens-only (you can still apply for citizenship in this process).

We'll need to establish some committees tasked with improvement in 30 days. There will be several proposed committees, but we can add more if people would like.


What are the Committees?
  • Forum appearance / organization.
  • Foreign Affairs.
  • Roleplay.
  • East Pacific Sovereign Army.
  • Getting new people to the forums.
  • Diplomacy goals
  • Connecting us to the international community
  • Festival / Holiday ideas

That sort, perhaps more if people recommend some good ones. In the meantime, we'll review our laws (overseen by the Magisters), get more input from other people, and see if we can update and get more connectivity. {new change, click link to the post}

These committees will be headed by one person or a group of people - we will discuss that in time. These leaders will be charged with creating a plan for their respected area within 30 days and will need to keep all nations in TEP in the loop, lead their committees, and come up with plans that we can reasonably initiate. This may include forum talk, RMB talk, skype, whatever so long as it's reported in these forums so we can all see what we're playing for.

Nothing is truly off the table as far as I'm concerned - we just need to work at this and make the region better. So, for instance, if I'm in charge of forum improvement, I'd want to make sure the admins are in close contact with me and that I ask a lot of people - vets and newbies - about how the forums are and how we can improve them. If I'm on Foreign Affairs, I might vouch for making a new issue, reviewing our embassies, that sort.


Who can participate in this?
Citizens and non-citizens can participate, but only citizens can vote. Within the citizenship application is a loyalty to the region of sorts, so I want to ensure everyone here is looking to better TEP and not gaining an ally or finding a way to make it easier to be couped, for instance. Anyone caught doing that will be submitted to various news outlets in NS. Voices, of course, do carry.

I fully expect the arbiters to continue with their citizenship duties and screen people.


Timeline:
By this time Thursday (four days from now), I will call for a vote to be conducted by citizens of the region only. This vote will be posted on the WFE as well as announcements in skype and atop the forum to maximize exposure. If a simple majority is obtained this time Sunday, the process will be set into motion.

If that occurs, the entire government will be paused. Magisterium will be paused. Conclave will be paused. The EPSA will be paused, and so on. I and others will announce this move to the NS world and will cast a net far and wide to attract people to our beloved region, people who honestly want to see us back on track. Committees will be set up, and leaders established. These leaders will be picked based on their knowledge of and loyalty to TEP, level of activity, general organization, and personality, among other traits.

Once the Committees are set up, we will have up to 30 days to deliberate and discuss. At the end, leaders will present their recommendations and they will be acted on provided enough support is given and it jives with what the people want. After the last committee is processed, the government will open.


The End-Goal
By the mid-to-end November, we will have an active region with new faces, new ideas, and a revamped sense of community. We will be back, and our region will be strong and on the same page.


I now open the floor for questions and comments
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Oct 10 2016, 05:31:36 PM
Why doesn't the Magisterium work with this process and work with nations in TEP to review the laws and make changes? I know, the Magisterium does that from time to time. But what if they had a committee of their own, the Magisterium committee, where they work the same way and pool ideas from other nations in the region? Once they gather some ideas, they draft changes or amendments to the Concordat and see it through?

Think of it like a legal referendum that isn't officially a referrendum.


This is quite like what I proposed earlier. Why don't we establish these committees through the Delegate and the leaders of the Committees can even be Ministers, etc.

These committees should then formulate their ideas and present them to the Magisterium or applicable branch for enactment. I support this course of action so long as we do not suggest that the committees or any referendum/popular votes do not circumvent the Concordat.

Edit- for what its worth, the Magisterium passed this law http://theeastpacific.com/topic/7001895/1/ . This should help with some citizenship issues.
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I've been thinking about this a little bit and it seems to me that the one thing that has stifled activity in this region more than anything else is an insatiable desire to control everything and a fear of losing that control. Even here, with discussions on how to revitalize the region, you see that people with control are afraid of losing the control that they have over the region that they have. It seems to me that a fresh approach may be in order and that those who led the old approach that no longer seems to be effective may have some good insights and be able to contribute to developing and implementing this new approach. Giving up some control will allow more people - beyond a narrow oligarchy - to contribute and bring life into the region.

This is not meant to advocate any one approach, just to encourage people to die to the "authority" they hold in the present system and not be afraid to let others in on renewing the region.
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Scardino, I actually somewhat like what you have to say, until the very end. When you say, "Die to the authority they hold and let others in to the renewing of the region", A. Magisters can only be removed by ourselves or by the Conclave, not anyone else and B. For a person to join the legislative government, they must complete a set list of requirements, so, to those of us who have completed that, why should we just back down?

I for one have no issue with working in any of the committees, as long as our government is still respected as it should be and the Magisterium can continue its legislative process without hinderance from the Delegate, unless he feels he cannot pass a law in good conscience, instead of saying he will veto everything.
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Scardino, you have a point that TEP has a small number engaged in the government but that does not make it an oligarchy. It makes it a small republic.

Of course bring as many voices in as possible, but unless you are advocating overthrowing this government and concordat, you should do it properly. Bring new voices to the magisterium, even if only through these committees. It is an insult to suggest that we should scrap it altogether when the system itself has its own mechanisms to change. You ratified the concordat to become a citizen, and if you don't agree with it, either renounce your citizenship or advocate lawful change under the document you signed.


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Scardino, you have a point that TEP has a small number engaged in the government but that does not make it an oligarchy. It makes it a small republic.

Of course bring as many voices in as possible, but unless you are advocating overthrowing this government and concordat, you should do it properly. Bring new voices to the magisterium, even if only through these committees. It is an insult to suggest that we should scrap it altogether when the system itself has its own mechanisms to change. You ratified the concordat to become a citizen, and if you don't agree with it, either renounce your citizenship or advocate lawful change under the document you signed.
Oligarchy is defined as a small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution.. There are roughly 2-3 dozen individuals serving in a government over 12,500 nations. Even if we (perhaps incorrectly) consider half of those nations to be puppets of other nations in TEP, and chop off the number of people in the government at 30, that would mean those in the government are at less than one half of one percent of the total residents in TEP.

No one is proposing an overthrow here. That is divisive talk that is quite frankly out of order.
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I for one have no issue with working in any of the committees, as long as our government is still respected as it should be and the Magisterium can continue its legislative process without hinderance from the Delegate, unless he feels he cannot pass a law in good conscience, instead of saying he will veto everything.
It has always been a policy of mine to veto laws with which I personally find contrary to the intent and will of the Concordat. I believe that total stands at 1.
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I've been thinking about this a little bit and it seems to me that the one thing that has stifled activity in this region more than anything else is an insatiable desire to control everything and a fear of losing that control. Even here, with discussions on how to revitalize the region, you see that people with control are afraid of losing the control that they have over the region that they have. It seems to me that a fresh approach may be in order and that those who led the old approach that no longer seems to be effective may have some good insights and be able to contribute to developing and implementing this new approach. Giving up some control will allow more people - beyond a narrow oligarchy - to contribute and bring life into the region.

This is not meant to advocate any one approach, just to encourage people to die to the "authority" they hold in the present system and not be afraid to let others in on renewing the region.
Emphasis mine. If you have any proposals, ideas, etc. I and I believe others in the region would be glad to hear them. As far as I'm concerned, there's not a whole lot that's 'off the table'.
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I've been thinking about this a little bit and it seems to me that the one thing that has stifled activity in this region more than anything else is an insatiable desire to control everything and a fear of losing that control. Even here, with discussions on how to revitalize the region, you see that people with control are afraid of losing the control that they have over the region that they have. It seems to me that a fresh approach may be in order and that those who led the old approach that no longer seems to be effective may have some good insights and be able to contribute to developing and implementing this new approach. Giving up some control will allow more people - beyond a narrow oligarchy - to contribute and bring life into the region.

This is not meant to advocate any one approach, just to encourage people to die to the "authority" they hold in the present system and not be afraid to let others in on renewing the region.


I disagree with the whole notion that control has stifled activity. No one has been in control. It's either part of the problem or another symptom of the underlying problem.

I agree that something needs to change.

The Delegate has not been active, due to RL. The Acting Delegate was mostly waiting for the Delegate's return. The Conclave's terms all expired and no one was in office.

As far as access, the Magisterium is open to all, with only a few activity requirements needed before joining. There is no upper limit on the number of Magisters, so letting others in is not a problem.

And yes, something needs to change.

Citizenship, which was never very difficult, has been restructured to provide more access.

I believe the greatest problem has been getting people to serve in roles and take the responsibilities of those offices seriously. Again, that may be a symptom of another problem, but it is the symptom that is most immediately obvious to me.
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And Todd, as i said, if you don't feel in good conscience you can pass a bill, then that is fine, but you shouldn't threaten to veto every law, unless they all are contrary to the Concordat, which none we have passed since I've joined actually has been.
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And Todd, as i said, if you don't feel in good conscience you can pass a bill, then that is fine, but you shouldn't threaten to veto every law, unless they all are contrary to the Concordat, which none we have passed since I've joined actually has been.
I will only veto resolutions I find contrary to the Concordat.
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I'm really glad to see that the "pause" is off the table. Thanks for listening to concerns about that, Todd.

I have experience with these areas, so I would be happy to participate in any or all of the following committees: Forum Appearance/Organization, Foreign Affairs, EPSA, and Diplomacy Goals. And of course I'll be glad to help with reviewing laws, as I'm kind of a legislation nerd. :P
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I'm really glad to see that the "pause" is off the table. Thanks for listening to concerns about that, Todd.

I have experience with these areas, so I would be happy to participate in any or all of the following committees: Forum Appearance/Organization, Foreign Affairs, EPSA, and Diplomacy Goals. And of course I'll be glad to help with reviewing laws, as I'm kind of a legislation nerd. :P
Not a problem. I just want us all to work together, and I didn't quite know how this would initially be perceived as a region.

I am actually encouraged by the amount of people new and old, vets and newbies, etc who have responded to this thread, and I must encourage anyone else who wishes to own this region in some respect to respond in kind. This is not a region of three, or thirty, or even three hundred. I want this region to be a region of every single nation involved.

I gotta admit, I'm not as fervent or active as I once was in this game, but I won't lament on that. I'm going to keep fighting because I love this region quite a bit and want to see it succeed. It would break my heart to see this region fall under a coup again, as silly as that sounds, but so long as I have the gumption and so long as others here, new and old, contribute and have passion for this little chunk of nationstates, well, I think we'll do just fine.

We can do so much as a region, we're all smart, worthy, and have the potential for greatness. I want to tap into that potential and make us even greater than what we once were. I want the new delegate, whoever he or she may be, to be the best delegate we ever had.

I want us to be so great that people forget about me. That's how great I want us to be. And I know there are people in this region capable of doing just that.
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Todd, I would like to inquire as to what vote you are referring to in this post Posted Image

Thankfully we have settled against the "pause" of government, so I do not understand what this promised vote is?

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From the OP:

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By this time Thursday (four days from now), I will call for a vote to be conducted by citizens of the region only. This vote will be posted on the WFE as well as announcements in skype and atop the forum to maximize exposure. If a simple majority is obtained this time Sunday, the process will be set into motion.

If that occurs, I and others will announce this move to the NS world and will cast a net far and wide to attract people to our beloved region, people who honestly want to see us back on track. Committees will be set up, and leaders established. These leaders will be picked based on their knowledge of and loyalty to TEP, level of activity, general organization, and personality, among other traits.
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Thankfully we have settled against the "pause" of government, so I do not understand what this promised vote is?


As I understand it, the vote will be used to determine if people really want to develop these committees and make some changes. Since there is nothing in the Concordat that requires this vote (or prohibits it), I see the vote as a way of engaging people in the change process. If you vote, it means you have some interest in change. It also looks like a potential way to get more people applying for citizenship, since the vote is limited to citizens.
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Thank you for the clarification, I hope you understand my hesitation. I do not want this to suggest or intone that this will supersede the government, though. That is why I would ask everyone to be very cautious with how this vote is conducted.

Should it move forward I will stand on the appropriate committees, as I would like to see TEP back on track.

Also, as Delegate, will you be implementing the new ratification system brought forward under the new Citizenship Act? I think it could help with your intention of more citizens naturalizing.


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Pardon my ignorance, but how do we vote here?

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What is meant by "once the last committee is processed, the government will open"?

I thought this feature of your vote was removed? As per my understanding, government was to remain open throughout this process.


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What is meant by "once the last committee is processed, the government will open"?

I thought this feature of your vote was removed? As per my understanding, government was to remain open throughout this process.
It was an artifact from the past idea. The government won't close or open (at least by force... the government is grinding to a halt in some areas but not by any one person's doing). It'll continue to operate.
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Hey if you need help in any foreign affairs or related committees, I might be able to provide some words.
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Perhaps we could create a diagram to assign positions to different nations in the committees. It would make everything a lot less confusing and give us a better visual of how many people are going to be in each group.
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Well, I envision it where everyone will be able to help, but we'll have 1-3 individuals leading said committees. My goal was initially to have just one leader per, but then I realized that perhaps that might not be the best way as we all come from different walks of life.

Expect committees to be assigned leaders tomorrow. In the meantime, I will begin the process of setting them up. Discussion may commence immediately.
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I'll definitely be interested in working on Roleplay and Foreign Affairs. I'm glad to see more activity in the region and I hope to help keep this momentum.


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Hey there everyone. I'm catching-up with all the recent happenings and reading through.

I haven't begun browsing the committee threads yet, but is anyone able to summarize the progress that has been made so far and where the region is at in this process?

That'd perhaps help give me some better context to everything. Thanks!
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