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| Committee: East Pacific Sovereign Army | |||||
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| Topic Started: Oct 16 2016, 07:02:30 PM (2,048 Views) | |||||
| Todd McCloud | Oct 16 2016, 07:02:30 PM Post #1 | ||||
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![]() Committee for The East Pacific Sovereign Army Purpose: Our in-game army has had a long history of being rather cerebral in their methods and maneuvers since implementation in 2012. The army must follow the EPSA Act in order to ensure it is legally following the guidelines set forth by the legislature (The Magisterium). New members will be recruited to join the illustrious ranks of the Army of Roses, er, East Pacific Sovereign Army. Potential points of discussion:
Participants: All current and aspiring EPSA members. Leaders may invite members from abroad at their own discretion. Leaders: Greyghost (To be selected over the coming 1-2 days.) Timeframe: From now until November 20, 2016, or sooner if the committee comes to a resolution sooner End Goal: The EPSA will be established as a credible force and the EPSA will carry out several missions by year's end. |
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| Gradea | Oct 17 2016, 12:25:13 AM Post #2 | ||||
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+ Promoting the EPSA further ingame. + Having EPSA applications in Newcomers, Start Here forum. + EPSA recruitment video? |
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| Cormac | Oct 18 2016, 01:42:37 AM Post #3 | ||||
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A good start would be ending the prohibition against being involved in any other regional military. I can understand wanting people dedicated to EPSA, but at the same time, a lot of experienced gameplayers who could join EPSA and help recruit and train newcomers are involved in other regional military forces.
I think EPSA's non-aligned position has served it well, and I don't think activity would increase by changing it. Trying to change to either a raider or defender alignment, or even just leaning, would likely just lead to arguments, as there are both raiders and defenders as well as people who stand somewhere in between involved in TEP. Edited by Cormac, Oct 18 2016, 01:42:57 AM.
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Cormac Skollvaldr Citizen of [region]The East Pacific[/region] Vincit qui patitur (He conquers who endures) | |||||
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| Greyghost | Oct 18 2016, 12:43:31 PM Post #4 | ||||
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I have to agree with Cormac on the prohibition on the involvement of other militaries. Yes, cosmopolitanism is an issue in the Gameplay world at the moment, but I think ending this prohibition could help keep the involvement of the members who do join. I think Gradea is on to something too, if it were casually linked in a newcomer area that may help along with videos I could post on Reddit or in other recruitment friendly places. |
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| Bachtendekuppen | Oct 26 2016, 03:18:01 PM Post #5 | ||||
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I don't agree. There's no point in having a big, active army if it's full of cosmopolitan full-time raiders and/or defenders with their own agenda's and ambitions. That won't serve TEP well and will only lead to divisions, drama and military operations barely linked to TEP's interests. |
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| Cormac | Oct 31 2016, 10:59:03 AM Post #6 | ||||
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The purpose of this whole effort is to increase activity though, and the best way to increase activity is to broaden opportunities for participation. With current EPSA policy, you're essentially ensuring that most of those interested in military gameplay won't participate in EPSA, because they won't want to be limited to only one military -- particularly if that military is barely active, and they're not going to have many opportunities to actually engage in military gameplay as a member of that military. I think you're likely to find you'll end up with more people dedicated exclusively or at least primarily to EPSA by opening it up to more participation, rather than by continuing to restrict it. The restriction is just leading a lot of military gameplayers to decline to participate here. You may say that's fine, why would we want them? I would invite you to take a look around -- the inactive Delegate replaced by an Acting Delegate, the Magisterium with a half dozen members, the Conclave so inactive that it refuses to elect a Viceroy because nobody wants the responsibility -- for the answer to that question. This community can't keep going this way, it needs to be more open to and encouraging of participation. Otherwise this community will eventually die and when it becomes inactive enough, it will be replaced by something else, as happened in 2008 when the Empire came along and then was succeeded by a reinvigorated native community. We could talk about some kind of compromise, like restricting EPSA members to only participating in two or three other militaries. That would be more reasonable and would prevent the full on cosmopolitanism that concerns you. But just ruling out an outlet for regional activity because you would rather have no military than have the involvement of those pesky raiders and defenders -- also known as the people who could recruit and train natives interested in joining -- isn't reasonable. At some point conservative answers that amount to "no change, please and thank you" have to be met with the question: What exactly is it that you're conserving? This is a Feeder, not a museum. Edited by Cormac, Oct 31 2016, 11:08:22 AM.
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Cormac Skollvaldr Citizen of [region]The East Pacific[/region] Vincit qui patitur (He conquers who endures) | |||||
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| Greyghost | Nov 12 2016, 06:17:43 AM Post #7 | ||||
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I entirely agree with Cormac, I cannot be restricted this much and be expected to run the EPSA. Many would glance and simply say I'm not putting enough effort into it, while this is true at the moment, I have tried a many a times. Over my term as Overseeimg Officer, I have recruited (Ramaeus had a huge part in helping) over 10 members and all have fallen inactive. I have tried adding people even active here to no avail. You may also say "well, Xoriet did it," but she also had plenty of help from Sev and members interested and invested at the time, which I lack. The point of this long post is not my complaining, but suggesting this: Even if select participation approved by either Todd or the Magisterium would be allowed, it would certainly be a step up from the restrictions I have now. If this were allowed, I have several trusted and well versed sources that could lend me a hand, which I sorely need. ~ I also have several ideas I have observed of other GCR militaries and if someone here who has any video making knowledge who would like to be of assistance, it would be accepted greatfully.[edit_reason](Added things)[/edit_reason] Edited by Greyghost, Nov 12 2016, 06:36:23 AM.
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| Bachtendekuppen | Nov 12 2016, 10:29:16 AM Post #8 | ||||
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It might help to know the law: (emphasis mine). Exceptions to the rule are already possible, and the law on EPSA is quite flexible. Thus I don't see the need for any legal changes. I believe this answers Cormac's post as well. There's no need for a 2 or 3 military rule, if the army can accept, at it's own recognition, applications from people not meeting the general standard. As for the biting comments on conservatism, change is all well, if it's a good change. Changes just to make changes, without due consideration and knowledge of the possibilities already in place, is just a waste of time.[edit_reason](Added things)[/edit_reason] Edited by Bachtendekuppen, Nov 12 2016, 10:32:26 AM.
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| Greyghost | Nov 15 2016, 09:26:47 PM Post #9 | ||||
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Thank you for this information, Bachtendekuppen! I'll make use of this information immediately.
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| Yuno | Nov 16 2016, 12:45:52 PM Post #10 | ||||
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Upon reading these forums, I have an opinion since I relate. Greyghost commands the EPSA, which overrules whatever politics/outside-alignment an EPSA member might have- otherwise they'll get a kick. Agendas really don't go through if her word is law within the military. I'm going to describe my own experience and hope this provides insight- I'm currently running a military as well (TWP) and I've recruited many TWP newbies, (only 2 newbs of the 40 trained stuck around actively-long-term) and yeah it's a ton of work doing all this training so I trusted friends who have military experience come over to TWPAF and help train newbies. However, the Generals are TWPAF-exclusive, the Lieutenants may be in 2-3 militaries, the regular troops are either newbs who will quickly become future leadership once they display activity or those cosmopolitan raiders/defenders in 10 militaries. Trust me, when starting from scratch, it is very hard to grab a legit nation and train them into experienced R/D enough to have THEM train people. I tried. These stats would increase if we kept trying- and easier to grab a few mentors to help accelerate the training. A single individual, commander of the army, cannot do all this training. I almost experienced burnout <_< I learned and adapted, and there are genuine nice people out there who wish ya the best =p There's nothing wrong with accepting "outside" help, at least, when starting out. Maybe things can change once you're established with a ton of TEP nations all experienced in R/D, but for now..this ^_^ |
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| Todd McCloud | Nov 17 2016, 08:24:05 PM Post #11 | ||||
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I just want to say that since last week the EPSA has: 1. Won its point region back 2. Aided an ally Osiris in an emergency delegate transition. I can wholeheartedly agree with people in this thread that we don't want this to become a vehicle for the R/D game and it should represent the will of the region. But Grey has been doing an excellent job getting people back on the page and the force has more or less hit the ground running lately. The fact that we were able to accomplish those two excellent feats in the span of less than one week tells me that this could very well become an exciting building block to our region so long as we temper it correctly. |
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| Eagas | Jan 25 2017, 09:55:43 AM Post #12 | ||||
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How does one join the Eastern Pacific Sovereign Army? The link to join the Regional Army leads me to a error message. |
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| Strat | Jan 25 2017, 11:24:14 AM Post #13 | ||||
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Here's the application page: http://forum.theeastpacific.com/topic/986965/13/#new | ||||
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| Eagas | Jan 25 2017, 07:01:26 PM Post #14 | ||||
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I continue to get the error:
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| Strat | Jan 25 2017, 07:22:21 PM Post #15 | ||||
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Alright. I think the mods need to add you as a citizen first, then. | ||||
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| Todd McCloud | Jan 29 2017, 05:02:43 PM Post #16 | ||||
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Yup, you'll need to be a citizen first! | ||||
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