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the East Pacific vs Moby Grape
Topic Started: Jul 10 2004, 02:06:57 AM (977 Views)
Infinite Loop
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This morning at 3:01 am I found the Nation Moby Grap to be in Violation of the regional Endorsement Cap, Possessing 150 endorsements, He was Promptly arrested and sent this message

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Greetings Moby Grape,
you are now under arrest,
you have the right to remain silent
any thing you say can and will be used in your prosecution.
you have the right to representation
or you may represent yourself
you may present your defense on the East Pacific regional message board.
[address will be supplied to the Defendent as soon as I get the address]
you are directed to post your message in the regional Court, Supreme Court of the EP in the topic entitled The East Pacific  vs. Moby Grape
the charges presented against you are.
Suspected Treason (Endorsement swapping),
Failure to remian below the Regional Endorsement Cap

other charges may follow as operatives investigate your case.
Infinite Loop


I do not currently have a Message from the nation asking for return endorsements, however as I looked over the region, he had endorsed every nation I looked at.

I now turn the case over to our Prosecutor, Free Pacific States.
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Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken,
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How does the Defendant plea?
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Colony of Paxman
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so his being charged fr endorsing ppl???
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Free Pacific States
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Paxman, in a way, your right. We're getting him for endorsing people. Now, that may seem unfair, but think of it this way...he's endorsed just about every nation in the region. Why? He can't agree with all their political beliefs. He's doing this in order to get them to endorse him back, which has worked. Also, he's allowed himself to get over the endorsement cap of 150, which is illegal.

Anyways, moving onto the case...is the defendant going to show?
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caven
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He has 48 hours correct?
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packilvania
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As senator I will explain the law. The endorsement cap is 150. Period, no matter how they get them. The exception is established members of these forums.
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Infinite Loop
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and even at that there may be actions.
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Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken,
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Kelssek
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Question for the prosecution, exactly how many endorsements did he have?

Also, have you sent him the address to this topic?
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Infinite Loop
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he had 150
and his copy of the message contained the address of this topic
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Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken,
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caven
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packilvania
Jul 10 2004, 12:15 PM
As senator I will explain the law. The endorsement cap is 150. Period, no matter how they get them. The exception is established members of these forums.

Please provide a list of these "established members" to further prevent any misconceptions.
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Free Pacific States
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Seeing as the defendant has not yet arrived at trial, the prosecution moves that, as set by precedant in The East Pacific vs. The Spot on the Screen, The EP vs. Coxswain, and The East Pacific vs. Sensual delights, the defendant be found guilty, and asks that he be banned from the EP for no less then six months, and no greater then one year.
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Undemocratic
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I did not ask for endorsements. I was simply following the lead of my fellow East Pacificians. I was born there and feel I have every right to collect endorsements.

Funny, I remember the first TG I received was 1 Loop asking for an endorsement.

I do not see this court as legitimate, as the EP is not democratic in the least.

Those nations freely endorsed me. So not only did you trample on My Mod given right to collect endorsements, you have taken away their right to freely endorse who they choose.

I think anything less then the complete freedom to associate and endorse one another cannot be called a democratic society. Maybe the EP is not democratic. If so my point is mute, and I shall happily leave.

Live free or die, Right? Yes!!

-Moby Grape, The mobiest grape around.
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Game over - goodbye!
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Infinite Loop
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150 I follow a strict interpretation.
and Moby Grape, at least you were given teh oportunity to present your case.
as opposed to say the way the NPO does it.
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Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken,
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Infinite Loop
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also, no you were not asked to provide a endorsement, you were told
"should you decide to return an endorsement it would be appreciated"

(he did not however)
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Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken,
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Free Pacific States
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Jul 11 2004, 11:50 PM
I did not ask for endorsements. I was simply following the lead of my fellow East Pacificians. I was born there and feel I have every right to collect endorsements.

Funny, I remember the first TG I received was 1 Loop asking for an endorsement.

I do not see this court as legitimate, as the EP is not democratic in the least.

Those nations freely endorsed me. So not only did you trample on My Mod given right to collect endorsements, you have taken away their right to freely endorse who they choose.

I think anything less then the complete freedom to associate and endorse one another cannot be called a democratic society. Maybe the EP is not democratic. If so my point is mute, and I shall happily leave.

Live free or die, Right? Yes!!

-Moby Grape, The mobiest grape around.

Hmmmm...let me go about this as lightly as I can.

First off, Moby, the EP is not at all a democrocy. Yes, we are striving towards something like it, but quite frankly, once you elect someone to delegate, who says they have to resign after the next election? A democrocy is quite simply impossible. We are, however, trying to get to a setting where the EP is totally free, and has elections for positions which still have a lot of say (the senate, judges, etc.)

Going on beyong this, you really don't need 150 endorsements, whether it's free or not, unless you want control of the region. I mean, you only need 2 to propose an issue....how is 150 helpfull in any way?
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I am very disappointed in your response. Your arguments are weak.

Firs, 1 Loop, how does saying "should you decide to return an endorsement it would be appreciated" make your case any different. I didn’t ask or suggest anything at all.

And yes, you are right I did not return your endorsement. I see that it still bothers you. I’m sorry.

Free Pacific States, those endorsements were given to me freely by my fellow nations. That is why I had so many. If by chance I should have collected enough to become a delegate it would have been by the choice of those who endorsed me.

You say the East Pacific is not a democracy. I don’t contest that. What I do find objectionable is that you hide your true intentions behind the charade of a court room hearing.

I would have accepted your “law” if you, 1Loop, simply stated in your first telegram that no one in the EP is allowed more than 2 endorsements. Accept that or leave. Then we could make the choice to leave. I wonder how the nations of the EP would respond if they were told that.

~Moby Grape,
The biggest grape you ever seen
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well, Moby Grape i would say you are pleading Not Guilty to the court
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Question for defendant, did you ever directly ask for endorsements?
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No, Kellssek, I did suggest to, or ask anything of my fellow nations.

I only ask of anyone, that they understand that Moby Grape can never be chaind down. I must live a life that is free to swim the oceans of the East Pacific. Otherwise I would fail to thrive and eventually die, like so many of those in the EP who cannot escape the tyranny of an oppresive administration. They are kept ingnorance of the true intention of the EP delegate; To remain in power at all costs. North Korea comes to mind.

~Moby Grape
The Grape that eats other grapes.
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Jul 12 2004, 03:16 PM
No, Kellssek, I did suggest to, or ask anything of my fellow nations.

I only ask of anyone, that they understand that Moby Grape can never be chaind down. I must live a life that is free to swim the oceans of the East Pacific. Otherwise I would fail to thrive and eventually die, like so many of those in the EP who cannot escape the tyranny of an oppresive administration. They are kept ingnorance of the true intention of the EP delegate; To remain in power at all costs. North Korea comes to mind.

~Moby Grape
The Grape that eats other grapes.

Moby, I'd hate to point it out, but this is, of current, the only pacific that has a judiciary system. And as for your baseless accusations that it is a fake system, take a look through case history...nearly 3/4 of those who come before this court are let off/found not guilty.

If you want to move elsewhere, go ahead, the regional delegate there will do the same thing if you become a threat to him. The only diffirence being that here, we have established rules, and thereby a court system to try to see if a person is truly guilty.

Now, I must say, I believe the endorsement swapping charge should be dropped. However, the legal endorsement limit here is 150...you reached that. I'm sorry, but the fact that you just admitted you would take the position of delegate if you had the chance, and the fact that you haven't become involved in the forums.

If you care so greatly about the EP, and want to thrive here, why aren't you registered on the forums, and why were your first posts in defense of your, in my opinion, making a run for the delegacy?
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Power
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Well Mobes. You are domed! He Hey the East Pacific has a judicial system. Bugger benjamin I have been away too long.

Lets face it pal you are dealing with a dictator. A law unto himself, he wants you banned you are out of here. Judicial systems my ass.

Well Loopy I have returned fancy some good old fashioned politics and get rid of this crap? How long has it been a year or so I would guess. What is with this defcon shite?

I have too hand you one thing old man, you spotted this offence, but now it is time to morph back into the real attack nine fingers....see you soon!
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either register, or stop posting...
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Or what Packy babes....your dog will eat me.... your far away planet of squint me, will get me.......screw you you little mediator....shut up barking or I will have you shot
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I won't even grace "Power" with a response, not until he stops being a pussy and identifies himself.

Anyways....are we going to bring any semblance of order to this trial, or no?
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it is Insane
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Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken,
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Insane Legends, or Insane Power?

Oh, and please, could we keep this to the trial? Damnit, judges, bang your gavel! We need order!
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caven
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I'm a little confused as to what exactly is going on.
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Ahh this sounds cruel, do you always do this ?
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Ahh this sounds cruel, do you always do this ?

i don't think caven does that, but this case is becoming confusing, and i will have some order FPS ANYONE that posts after me that says something like "Power" has for example i will delete it if it has no important to this case @ all.
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