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| Topic Started: Sep 25 2004, 10:10:10 AM (354 Views) | |
| Playful Pixies | Sep 25 2004, 10:10:10 AM Post #1 |
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On behalf of my nation, I want to post our official unhappiness about being unjustly booted from The East Pacific. We were never given any notice, nor reason. Just booted and we are not happy. We should have at least been given some type of warning, or notification. My people are very playful, as our motto reflects, but we really are quite upset about our upheaval, we have tried very hard to get along with our neighbors. I request a full apology from the leadership of The East Pacific region to forward on to my people to try and help soothe their broken hearts. ~Pamela Pixie President of the Protectorate of Playful Pixies |
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| Free Pacific States | Sep 25 2004, 10:36:05 AM Post #2 |
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Number One Drone
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Exactly what happened? |
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| The Wachovia Coalition | Sep 25 2004, 10:42:11 AM Post #3 |
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Two matters of decorum. This was moved to the main forum as it did not apply to inter-regional affairs. It appears said person would like to appeal the ejection. Perhaps we should move this to the public defenders office at the earliest convenience of the attorney. I would be happy to do so. This will prevent it from becoming a discussion thread and speed the process. |
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| Playful Pixies | Sep 25 2004, 11:31:36 AM Post #4 |
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(((OOC))) I don't know what happend actually. Last night I was still a proud member of The East Pacific Region, this morning I found my nation moved to a Rejected Regions place with a generic message informing me that my nation had been booted, but it contained no explanation or reason. Was very unexpected, this is my first nation and I didn't even know such a thing could happen heh. And sorry for posting in the wrong place, I tried to place it in what seemed to be the most relevant place, also, I don't necessarily wish to appeal whatever reason it was, I just would like to know why and find out if it's customary to eject a nation for no apparent reason and without and prior warning. |
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| packilvania | Sep 25 2004, 11:37:15 AM Post #5 |
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only 4 things warrant removal from the EP at the moment 1: Being a member of the ADN 2: Being rude and disruptive. I.E. Sending messages of "You are Gay" 3: Endorsement swapping. This has been the most controversial, but is the most dangerous to the delegate. I suspect this as the reason. Endorsement swapping is the act of giving an endorsement, and asking for one in exchange. 4: Having more than 150 endorsements, and not being an active member here. ***Side note*** To protect ourselves from bad things that have happened in the past, I ask that you register on our forums. It basically lets us know that you are not a troll that comes back to haunt us every once in awhile. |
![]() "The Cybernets shall overrun every thing you hold dear. Assimilate." Loop: Well that rules out my Atomic Metroid Spy Toilet I had planned. DFD: WAAAAH, you butt hurt me. Cry cry cry. Todd My foreign officer ended up pushing her wiener (gl@sses) further up the bridge of her nose. | |
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| Deleted User | Sep 25 2004, 12:31:54 PM Post #6 |
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1. I have no idea what ADN is. 2. Definitely not the reason. 3. I did endorse several nations, but I never asked for any in return, matter of fact, I never even responded to any of the telegrams from people who endorsed me and ask for one in return. Some did automatically return their endorsements. 4. As of last night, I had 81 endorsements. I never asked for a single one of them. I have been very active, checking on my nation daily with the exception of a few days I was away from my home due to hurricane evacuations. Like I previously stated, I have no idea why I was ejected and I don't think it's fair that anyone should be ejected without any kind of warnings or notices. PS- Registration completed. |
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| Codex | Sep 25 2004, 01:07:25 PM Post #7 |
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ADN is some alliance that loop has bad history with. Most likely, as Pack says, you were booted for endorsement swapping. I'm not sure what methods loop uses to guage this, but it could be that you had reciprocal endorsements with another nation accused of swapping, or were reported to have been swapping endorsements by another nation. This is covered under this resolution: Endorsement Swapping You should have been warned first, but I'm not sure if loop often bothers with this, especially if there are a lot of nations with large endorsement counts. I suggest you appeal the case in the judicial forums; lacking further evidence, you don't actually seem to have done much wrong in this case. |
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| packilvania | Sep 25 2004, 10:42:46 PM Post #8 |
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To be honest, seeing that you are active, you'll most likely be reinstated, and given rights to the forum
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![]() "The Cybernets shall overrun every thing you hold dear. Assimilate." Loop: Well that rules out my Atomic Metroid Spy Toilet I had planned. DFD: WAAAAH, you butt hurt me. Cry cry cry. Todd My foreign officer ended up pushing her wiener (gl@sses) further up the bridge of her nose. | |
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| Infinite Loop | Sep 26 2004, 01:28:25 AM Post #9 |
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Take Off, Eh?
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Sorry for not getting to answer you sooner, IRL I had to work late, really late, Pixies, you were along with a dozen others linked very explicitly to an invader group. I apologise for booting you, It is not Personal, it is regional. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken, | |
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| Kelssek | Sep 26 2004, 02:24:12 AM Post #10 |
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Well, this is what the courts were for. Notice the past tense, since legislation has since allowed for a complete bypass of the legal system. Loop, I hope things as in the discussion we had are going forward, because it is exactly this sort of thing we were trying to prevent. Sorry if it reads like I'm arrogantly going "hah, I told you so" - I'm not, in fact I'm shrugging my shoulders and going, "Well, I can't do anything". |
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| Infinite Loop | Sep 26 2004, 04:59:48 AM Post #11 |
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Take Off, Eh?
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I do apologise for booting you if you are inncent Pixies, but I do consider defense of the region against Imperialist Invaders a bit different than defense against minor offenses> I will ask this I think you may have been caught up in this by accident, so please show me you are not an invader and I will unban ya |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken, | |
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| Free Pacific States | Sep 26 2004, 09:24:53 AM Post #12 |
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If I might ask...how is he to do so? I mean, I don't want to question your word look, but asking someone to proove their not an invader would be liking asking someone to proove there not a communist in the 1950's, or asking someone to proove their not a witch in Salem in the 1800's. I mean...theres no real way to do it. As for the recent senate resoloution..I have to say, it's not done very well. Exactly what does "Appealing" the decision mean? And, if it means what Kellsek thinks, why do we even keep this forum around? If the court can just be overruled by the delegate, why not get ride of the buerocratic process, and just give the delegate full control? Most seriously, I believe that, at the very least, the word "Appealing" needs to be defined, and the usefullness of our court system reviewed. |
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| The Wachovia Coalition | Sep 26 2004, 03:31:17 PM Post #13 |
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What a mess this has been. We need to establish something here. Who keeps the court system in order? As FPS has taken up the role of public defender, I think he needs to be empowered to help new folks find out where to post their comments and to get a trial in order. I only did it because there are no other organized members of the court and the understanding of the law is in confusion at present. First, the ADN stuff is not on the law books that I've seen. If this needs to be discussed, let's go to the senate reception area. Second, appeals are not that strange. Our system lacked normal methods for appeals by the region. Yes, it coudl have been stated better (why I voted against it) but it does not change the fundamentals of the system. I think we need to all step back a second and recognize that back and forth between the people and the courts is normal in free societies. Loop clearly is very busy and so we'll need a public prosecutor to execute the trial. Third, I encourage you Loop to be get the help you need to make this move more smoothly. Perhaps you need a prosecutor to give more advance warning, set up the trial and keep it all within the bounds of the law you've been a part of setting it up. If so, great. Just ask. I would prefer not to be in the role myself but I'm sure someone else would be helpful in this area. |
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| Codex | Sep 26 2004, 04:31:59 PM Post #14 |
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Of course there is. We need to see if he weighs more than a duck. |
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| Free Pacific States | Sep 26 2004, 05:42:26 PM Post #15 |
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*Throws him in the water* Whop! He doesn't. Anyone have a match? Heh....as for Wachovia's comments...yes, I know. My resigning as EPASDA is probably not helping matters, and probably won't get much accomplished. However, I simply cannot continue to work in an office which is headed by the same person who can repeal judicial decisions. Its a major conflict of interest (as I've said elsewhere), and, in my opinion, unnaceptable. Additionally, I cannot be part of a department which bans a person without trial, without documented evidence, and without a single part of a law backing them. And thereby, I have become an ambulance chasing defender. But hey, I'd rather be the asshole then be a prosecutor who doesn't have to ever worry about losing a case. And, in any case, that senate resoloution needs to be amended. With no definition of "appeal", it leaves the delegate the power to do whatever he wants (although I doubt Loop ever would, one must be cautious none the less), and gives him the possibility to send a trial into double jeapordy. Don't win the first time around? Why not go for 1 in 2? or 1 in 3? What makes it worse is that, at current, we have no law saying that the defendant can appeal, yet, the prosecutor can? EDIT: Oh, and another note...Pixies, how would you like an attorney? |
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| The Wachovia Coalition | Sep 26 2004, 06:00:32 PM Post #16 |
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That's fine Free. We do need a defense attorney as well so it's probably best that that role is filled first. In our region, as you know, it has been customary to use the ban as a method of detaining people for trial. The reasoning I've gathered is that this prevents someone from exploiting the current struggles we have to get the legal system running. In this case though, it's use was less clear as there were not yet enough endorsements to do immeadiate harm. A good trial could clear this up perhaps. Free, I'd encourage you to contact the person through telegrams and begin preparing. If no one puts things together soon, I'll step in and try to help salvage things. |
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| Infinite Loop | Sep 27 2004, 04:15:08 AM Post #17 |
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that bill FPS mentions I relaly wish I had a line item veto, I am almost ready to say we need a minimum of votes cast either for or against for a bill to be passed if FPS of Wachovia wants to write it as they are better with the words than Loop, I will gladly vote for it , I suggest perhaps the minimum be set to around 35% of the active persons here. also, Everyone can vote in the senate I think we may need a part of the senate jsut for votes. that way those who dont want to participate n teh secured discussion because perhaps they are invcolved in a diferent part of the reginal government they still can cast a vote. also I abstain from voting in the senate, as I dont feel it fair for me to do so, however i do think we need to assign someone to be the person who is there to tiebreak, like how the VP does in teh US. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken, | |
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| packilvania | Sep 27 2004, 09:09:50 AM Post #18 |
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get back on track Loop, this isn't the convention
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![]() "The Cybernets shall overrun every thing you hold dear. Assimilate." Loop: Well that rules out my Atomic Metroid Spy Toilet I had planned. DFD: WAAAAH, you butt hurt me. Cry cry cry. Todd My foreign officer ended up pushing her wiener (gl@sses) further up the bridge of her nose. | |
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| Infinite Loop | Sep 27 2004, 08:16:32 PM Post #19 |
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Actually I posted that before I saw the convention post |
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