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Star Wars Worst Enemy
Topic Started: Oct 6 2004, 03:26:34 AM (430 Views)
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is George Lucas.
and when I say Star Wars I mean A new Hope, Empire and Jedi, I honesly dont consider the new crap or any rereleases of the original three to be star wars, the reimagined universe is carp.


well that is my lil rant for now.

Look Sir, Droids!
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Yeah, I'm quite surprised that they didn't have the "untouched" films (although he says that the "Special Edition" is his definitive vision of Star Wars and rumour has it Lucas has destroyed the originals) in a "Super-duper-deluxe" edition or something... Come on Lucas! We'll pay for the originals!!!

:cry: :pray:
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I would rather have the originals as well, I Dont like his reimagined BS.

Im sorry but I grew up with it one way, and I dont like the changes.
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Let me start off by saying that the new movies are great ideas, and not badly done at all. In fact, I'd call them pretty good.

The digitally remastered stuff is also pretty cool...it lets you see stuff much better...stuff you don't really care about. Cool, nonetheless.

But compared to the good old stuff? No way in hell anything remastered, or the new movies, stand up to the old ones. Those were the best...I wish he'd done 7, 8, and 9, instead of 1, 2, and 3.
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even though he stated in the 85 interview that Star wars as we knew it was the middle part of a 9 movie series he now claims he bever intended to do 7, 8, or 9, he claims that is was words put in his mouth by teh media, farkind liar.

also if he intended all along to make the first three, and he wrote them all at once, then why is he contradicting himself with the new stuff,
IE, Seek out Yoda the jedi Master who trained me,
IE, for a race of critters like the gungan who seem so important in the new movies,
where are they in the others?
Originally Vader was teh Lord of the Planet Sith, well, if that is so, why does Yoda tell
, , Whats his name that tthere are only two ever. BS,
The Jedi were like a modern army, and they recruited activly, well what happened to people who were inatly capable of using the force during the time between ep 3 and 4? they stil had to be there,




Loop theories,


Yoda intentionally doubted Anakyn because A, he intended to or it was unintentional that he bring about the end of the Jedi, his doubt of Anakyn started a trend in the boys life.
Jedi vanish when you kill them, Quite gone didnt , he was also Dooku's apprentice,
I beleive quite gone was aq sith but a good one, or perhaps was there to find the one who would kill the jedi?
also perhaps Yoda was jelous that he didnt find the one,
(yes Loop doesnt like Yoda)
Wedge is more than we see, he survived all the same battles plus a few without the force, Luke had to cheat with his magic.

Things Lucas really farked up,


the battle of Yavin, went from being a hardy group of superior rebel pilots win out against the enemy (original version ) with Luke and Wedge surviving
to being a Slaughter as thousands of ships were destroyed with only a few returning
Han Shot First, I dont care if they wanted to make him look goody goody,
Han Shot first.


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everyone is motivated by Death.

Luke was motivated to jin Obi wan by the death of Beru and Owen.
Luke was further motivated by the death of Obi Wan.
Luke is motivated by the death of Yoda,
and then by the death of his pappy.

Leia is motivated by the Death of ALderanne and her adopted parents.

Han is motivated by the death of Greedo

Anakyn is motivated by the death of Quite Gone
He is then motivated by the death of his Momma
then by (theory) the death of someone else big time like mayahps Jar jar or Padme, I presuem both willbe at his hand.

Lucak also has a thing for cuttin folks hands off
Luke, Anakyn, Vader, Walrus man, ect

can anyone else think of stuff fitting these things?
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Though I've not bought the DVDs yet, I don't feel that the new films have the same story quality as the original trilogy.

Anybody else here collect the new Topps Heritage trading cards? These are made of paper, non-waxed, and remind me of the cards from when I was a kid. :)
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The original Star Wars are amoung my favorite movies, but the new ones just aren't the same. It's like a spin-off / alternate reality based on the same characters.

Of course most Sci-Fi writes like Clarke and Asmonov (sp?), don't care musch about linear continuity. 2001 and 2010 weren't linear. Robot isn't always linear, nor was Foundation (according to my sources at least, I hope to read one of Asomnov's books soon). Lucas is simply taking artistic licence. And while the fan base may not like it he will do as he pleases.

When J.K. Rowling wrote Harry Potter and the Order of the Phenoix she defied many of the fan's expectations. Many "Potterheads" were upset that she killed Sirus, or something like that. Greg F, the Bionicle writer is planning to turn the Bionicle universe upside down around Book 8 or so.

Ultimately, stuff happens. The fans will either love it, or hate it.

Although I wonder what Indiana Jones 4 is going to be like...
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Star Trek killed Data...that made me mad. But on the other hand, they did sorta replace him with Before.

That theme is seeable in many of the books too, Loop, although I'm not sure if you think they count.

Also, Padme will probably die, after having (Authors Note: If you usually visualize things, don't visualize this): Anakyn's kids, despite the fact that shes like twenty years older then him. After all, in the later movies, Luke's mom was dead, right? More deadly motivation.

Oh, and the rebels on that one planet in the first movie? Motivated by their collegues death. Padme surrendured in fear over the death of her people.

The trade federation was defeated after the death of its mothership.

Uh...I can't really remember second movie, but its there, and everywhere, it seems.
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The fast reply button keeps moving. It should stop moving.

Foundation happens in stages, because of course the progression of a new galactic empire can understandably take a little bit of time and as such it is impossible to address the issue in continuous linear progression, except within the cases of such individual or necessary events as it is expedient to present within a roughly contiguous timescale in order to correctly present the narrative and provide a sense of action within the prose.

I had something else to say, but I've forgotten it
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The fast reply button keeps moving. It should stop moving.

Foundation happens in stages, because of course the progression of a new galactic empire can understandably take a little bit of time and as such it is impossible to address the issue in continuous linear progression, except within the cases of such individual or necessary events as it is expedient to present within a roughly contiguous timescale in order to correctly present the narrative and provide a sense of action within the prose.

I had something else to say, but I've forgotten it

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The original Star Wars are amoung my favorite movies, but the new ones just aren't the same. It's like a spin-off / alternate reality based on the same characters.

Of course most Sci-Fi writes like Clarke and Asmonov (sp?), don't care musch about linear continuity. 2001 and 2010 weren't linear. Robot isn't always linear, nor was Foundation (according to my sources at least, I hope to read one of Asomnov's books soon). Lucas is simply taking artistic licence. And while the fan base may not like it he will do as he pleases.

When J.K. Rowling wrote Harry Potter and the Order of the Phenoix she defied many of the fan's expectations. Many "Potterheads" were upset that she killed Sirus, or something like that. Greg F, the Bionicle writer is planning to turn the Bionicle universe upside down around Book 8 or so.

Ultimately, stuff happens. The fans will either love it, or hate it.

Although I wonder what Indiana Jones 4 is going to be like...

Asimov.

And I highly recommend reading "Foundation". Tantor (one of the planets in Foundation) was the real inspiration for Courscant, which was originally called something like Imperial Center or Imperial City back in the late 1980s / early 1990s before Tim Zahn came along.

As for Lucas's ability to create interesting stories ... I think that magic is gone. He has changed since the 1970s / 1980s and the world has too. The two have IMHO gone in mostly different directions.

(As an aside, I can't believe I've not listened to KMFDM's "Nihil" in such a long time ... it is an amazingly great album!) :)


As for the death of Data ... I thought the entire "Before" thing was a cop out. Star Trek has *long* hovered over a "reset" button. Yes, I still like watching many Treks, but including real death in a story is really one of the best ways to make the story seem real.

For example: Robotech: Macross. The death of Roy Hunter and Ben Dixon were both used to actually develop the character of Rick Hunter. To actually make him *age* and mature. And it was done in a really great way, and I think has endeared the Macross saga in the minds of many.

Siruis's death is also necessary. In fact, I'd say it was premature, and that Harry will be having to deal with the death of somebody else very close (hasn't Rolwings suggested this already?). If Snape gets it, he'll have to actually first make peace with Harry, otherwise Harry might not be forced to deal with Snape's death nearly as much ... though there is a part of me that thinks that if Dumbledor (sp?) isn't next that Snape will be.

Death ... what an interesting thread discussion for October / Halloween time. ;) (Who put his decorations up last weekend!)
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Replaced Data?
If you count that it was kinda a Deus Ex fiat and the robot replacing him is like his retarded older brother then sure,

a really good linear sci fi story is Worldwar by Harry Turtledove, that is wher i got my Lizards from.
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Replaced Data?
If you count that it was kinda a Deus Ex fiat and the robot replacing him is like his retarded older brother then sure,

a really good linear sci fi story is Worldwar by Harry Turtledove, that is wher i got my Lizards from.

Actually B4 got Data's Memories (hence the last scene) and hence could turn into Data as he develops (leaving an opening should Brent Spiner ever decide he wants to come back).

Turtledove Rocks. I need to get started on Colonization: Second Contact...
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Second Contact Rocks.
I read teh whole thing over liek a month.
(first book in first series to last book on second contact)
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I have the first Chronological book in the Foundation series sittina about three feet away from me, Been meaning to read it for like, two years, been lazy.

And I dont have a problem with Starwars, I have a problem with Lucas, and some of the fans.
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I have the first Chronological book in the Foundation series sittina about three feet away from me, Been meaning to read it for like, two years, been lazy.

And I dont have a problem with Starwars, I have a problem with Lucas, and some of the fans.

Lucas is allright, but do note that for ESB and ROTJ he didnt direct those two.....makes me wonder if the ESB director should have done 1-3
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look i am no padawan i am the Dark Sith Lord Quazarr Umnum and you WILL bow down to me

Oh dear. Now that's slightly scary. I refuse to bow to the little grunt dude. That is all.
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look i am no padawan i am the Dark Sith Lord Quazarr Umnum and you WILL bow down to me

You are a padawan, and I am a Jedi Master. ::Activates M-39 Combat Lightsabre::

You will bow down to me, young midget!
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Darth Vader: "ENOUGH!" Force chokes everyone. "There will be no fighting in the balcony!"

Ebert: "What the hell are you guys doing in my balcony?"

Roper: "Two thumbs way down for this fight." :dn: :dn:

Ebert: "I agree." :dn: :dn:
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Darth Vader: "ENOUGH!" Force chokes everyone. "There will be no fighting in the balcony!"

Ebert: "What the hell are you guys doing in my balcony?"

Roper: "Two thumbs way down for this fight." :dn: :dn:

Ebert: "I agree." :dn: :dn:

::Yoda uses Force Lighting on Darth Vader and Force-bitch slaps him::

Annoying bastard you are, Lord Vader, and [Fark] you up I will if continue you will with your claims

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:Sigh: Why must people pad their post count. I thought the RP Mod thread would be fun to have some heavy duty flaming in, but that didn't work.

Thread closed before this gets nasty.
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