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How should the EPTO Respond?
Take No Action 0 (0%)
Politically Support Heann 1 (14.3%)
Politically Support Vladistock 0 (0%)
Humanitarianly Support Heann 3 (42.9%)
Militarily Support Heann 3 (42.9%)
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[ALLI]Invasion of Heann; Recent Invasion
Topic Started: Jun 29 2005, 03:13:35 PM (611 Views)
Free Pacific States
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As I'm sure you all know, Vladistock has launched an invasion of the nuetral nation of Heann. At the moment, we're receiving reports of civilian killings, and an attempt to quickly and efficiently destroy the Heannian government.

How should the EPTO react?
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Krechzianko supports sending of humanitarian aid, but no political or military involvement. This amounts to little more importance than the invasion of Grenada, IMO.

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will the Free Pacific States care to hint on unde what circumstaces the civilians were killed, the age range of the dead, and as to why they are harming civilians in this process? I would like to know why the country isof Heann is having its civilian populace killed and for what purpose.
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Citizens getting in the way of the Vladistock military forces are killed or simply run over.


Interpret it as you may; the statement does not say that resisting civilians are killed, simply those "in the way" of the military are. Does that mean a man running across the street to his family? How about a doctor? What about a child, who doesn't realize whats going on?

I personally suggest that the invasion is condemned politically, and that we offer humanitarian aide, and my nation has agreed on both points. Its also my belief that we should send the EAF in order to stop this unprovoked invasion...on this point, however, I have not received political backing.
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Humanitarian aid should be coupled with military assistance to protect the aid workers and stop anything illegal or whatever going on.

Whatever decision is made, I would strongly like to volunteer to lead whatever efforts EPTO would be doing re: Heann.
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OOC: Well, technically, it wouldn't be spearheaded by anyone, as it'd be EPTO forces.

However, you could take charge of any humanitarian forces we could send in by RPing their leader, and if the EAF is dispatched, I'll be sure to have a Govindian officer put in command.

Speaking of which..we currently have EAF troops moving in on both Vladistock and East Malyasia. I'd be willing to RP both force commanders, however, if anyone would like to take charge of the 70,000 EAF and EPTOHW (Humanitarian Wing) personel going to Vladistock, or the 100,000 EAF and EPTOHW personel heading to EM, lemme know. It'd be better if you weren't currently involved in the conflict (Gnidrah for either, Govindia for Vladistock, as he was denied entrance), it'd probably make RPing a bit easier.

Additionally, I now realize that I should have made multiple choice answering, as you could both want to condemn the invasion, and send humanitarian relief, and send military aid...but, too late now.
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Citizens getting in the way of the Vladistock military forces are killed or simply run over.




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Interpret it as you may; the statement does not say that resisting civilians are killed, simply those "in the way" of the military are. Does that mean a man running across the street to his family? How about a doctor? What about a child, who doesn't realize whats going on?

I personally suggest that the invasion is condemned politically, and that we offer humanitarian aide, and my nation has agreed on both points. Its also my belief that we should send the EAF in order to stop this unprovoked invasion...on this point, however, I have not received political backing.


I agree on the use of military personell. These civilians have lives, and they should not not be thrusted into politics by murdering therem simply for being a hinderance to Vladistockian forces. Such a policy is cruel, it is inhuae, and most importantly, it is wrong. Not only does Xiopothos favor a public political condemnation of Vladistock Island, but also, a show of military force against them on Heann. Heann, while primarily inactive, is by most accounts a peaceful, law-abiding nation, and for the Vlads to invade so un-announced and un-provoked, simply to destroy anyone and anything in their path in a lust for power. Feeling so, I hereby back FPS in his beliegf that the usage of the EAF against Vladistock is not only nessecary, but vital for the peace. Though we would do so unwillingly, we shall use force if neccasary. The attack on Heann's government and its people is completely inexcusable. I hereby vote to use military force.
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Jun 29 2005, 08:14 PM
OOC: Well, technically, it wouldn't be spearheaded by anyone, as it'd be EPTO forces.

However, you could take charge of any humanitarian forces we could send in by RPing their leader, and if the EAF is dispatched, I'll be sure to have a Govindian officer put in command.

Speaking of which..we currently have EAF troops moving in on both Vladistock and East Malyasia. I'd be willing to RP both force commanders, however, if anyone would like to take charge of the 70,000 EAF and EPTOHW (Humanitarian Wing) personel going to Vladistock, or the 100,000 EAF and EPTOHW personel heading to EM, lemme know. It'd be better if you weren't currently involved in the conflict (Gnidrah for either, Govindia for Vladistock, as he was denied entrance), it'd probably make RPing a bit easier.

Additionally, I now realize that I should have made multiple choice answering, as you could both want to condemn the invasion, and send humanitarian relief, and send military aid...but, too late now.

I would be willing to lead & take charge of the forces, and as I said, I would like to take the initiative in leading forces and placing them under Govindian command, working hand in hand with the 7th Fleet and any (if needed) troops from the GAR.
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Jun 30 2005, 01:35 AM
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Jun 29 2005, 08:14 PM
OOC: Well, technically, it wouldn't be spearheaded by anyone, as it'd be EPTO forces.

However, you could take charge of any humanitarian forces we could send in by RPing their leader, and if the EAF is dispatched, I'll be sure to have a Govindian officer put in command.

Speaking of which..we currently have EAF troops moving in on both Vladistock and East Malyasia. I'd be willing to RP both force commanders, however, if anyone would like to take charge of the 70,000 EAF and EPTOHW (Humanitarian Wing) personel going to Vladistock, or the 100,000 EAF and EPTOHW personel heading to EM, lemme know. It'd be better if you weren't currently involved in the conflict (Gnidrah for either, Govindia for Vladistock, as he was denied entrance), it'd probably make RPing a bit easier.

Additionally, I now realize that I should have made multiple choice answering, as you could both want to condemn the invasion, and send humanitarian relief, and send military aid...but, too late now.

I would be willing to lead & take charge of the forces, and as I said, I would like to take the initiative in leading forces and placing them under Govindian command, working hand in hand with the 7th Fleet and any (if needed) troops from the GAR.

OOC: They wouldn't be under Govindian command. One of your donated commanders to the EAF would simply be incharge of them.
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Jun 29 2005, 09:36 PM
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Jun 30 2005, 01:35 AM
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OOC: Well, technically, it wouldn't be spearheaded by anyone, as it'd be EPTO forces.

However, you could take charge of any humanitarian forces we could send in by RPing their leader, and if the EAF is dispatched, I'll be sure to have a Govindian officer put in command.

Speaking of which..we currently have EAF troops moving in on both Vladistock and East Malyasia. I'd be willing to RP both force commanders, however, if anyone would like to take charge of the 70,000 EAF and EPTOHW (Humanitarian Wing) personel going to Vladistock, or the 100,000 EAF and EPTOHW personel heading to EM, lemme know. It'd be better if you weren't currently involved in the conflict (Gnidrah for either, Govindia for Vladistock, as he was denied entrance), it'd probably make RPing a bit easier.

Additionally, I now realize that I should have made multiple choice answering, as you could both want to condemn the invasion, and send humanitarian relief, and send military aid...but, too late now.

I would be willing to lead & take charge of the forces, and as I said, I would like to take the initiative in leading forces and placing them under Govindian command, working hand in hand with the 7th Fleet and any (if needed) troops from the GAR.

OOC: They wouldn't be under Govindian command. One of your donated commanders to the EAF would simply be incharge of them.

I mean in teh sense that I would be willing to be in charge of the forces, and have them under a govindian EPTO officer, probably Groznyev, but under command in the sense that Govindian troops would be doing a lot of coordination with allied troops where needed.

also, feel free to mention me in the next EP NewsWire update when talking about my nation, besides mentioning it in an article about another nation like Krech did :)
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I'm all for humanitarian aid being sent to Heann.
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Krechzianko
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I am opposed to a military action; there's no need to start another huge war. As FPS said, anybody interested in humanitarian stuff can RP it (I'll do so tomorrow).

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I am opposed to a military action; there's no need to start another huge war. As FPS said, anybody interested in humanitarian stuff can RP it (I'll do so tomorrow).

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Jul 1 2005, 02:12 AM
I am opposed to a military action; there's no need to start another huge war.  As FPS said, anybody interested in humanitarian stuff can RP it (I'll do so tomorrow).

So much for the defenders of freedom and democracy in the East Pacific.

OOC EDIT: Or maybe not. It seems that military action has three votes.

Of course, those votes could be from non-EPTO nations..currently, I'm just counting those actually voiced by reps. On that note..Loop, is there any way you can make it so only EPTO nations can vote? Because currently, 7 nations have voted, and I was unaware we had seven active nations.
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I'll admit i spy on you guys, but i don't vote... maybe Loop or Wach could check the voters...
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So much for the defenders of freedom and democracy in the East Pacific.


Did you go to war with me when I slaughtered Chinese civilians? We must allow nations to fight each other on ocassions; our main purpose is as an alliance, rather than a peacekeeping group.

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Krechzianko
Jul 1 2005, 02:12 AM
I am opposed to a military action; there's no need to start another huge war.  As FPS said, anybody interested in humanitarian stuff can RP it (I'll do so tomorrow).

So much for the defenders of freedom and democracy in the East Pacific.

OOC EDIT: Or maybe not. It seems that military action has three votes.

Of course, those votes could be from non-EPTO nations..currently, I'm just counting those actually voiced by reps. On that note..Loop, is there any way you can make it so only EPTO nations can vote? Because currently, 7 nations have voted, and I was unaware we had seven active nations.

I agree with you. To protect freedom and sovereignty, we must send both humanitarian and military aid. It's a bit hypocritical if we're sending aide to the same country that is invading a sovereign nation whilst under a terrorist attack (which we are giving aid to against the SOL). As Edmund Burke once said, evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

I'll RP some 7th Fleet responses once I get back from work and Batman Begins movie. I haven't had much chance to do RP because of work....and aside from that, the next chance I'll get to RP will be probably on Sunday, as I'll be at relatives in NJ on Saturday.

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I just think that, if we get involved with every little invasion in the EP, we'll end up looking more like imperialists than peace-keepers.

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Jul 1 2005, 09:32 AM
I just think that, if we get involved with every little invasion in the EP, we'll end up looking more like imperialists than peace-keepers.

We won't be imperialists. We're not looking for territory. Nor is Govindia. Once the operation is done we'll leave. Simple as that.
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Funny, that's what George Bush said before...nevermind.

Do we really want to alienate our allies, though? If we go into combat with Vladistock's troops, you can bet that he won't wanna be our ally after that.

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Jul 1 2005, 10:11 AM
Funny, that's what George Bush said before...nevermind.

Do we really want to alienate our allies, though? If we go into combat with Vladistock's troops, you can bet that he won't wanna be our ally after that.

Still, they can be a potential ally, but we have to stand our ground. We can't just let them do this.

Take this for a hypothetical example. Wachovia gets attacked by Packilvania, and we aid them. Then for some reason, Rosado decides to go after Trioni while being attacked by Pack. We want to be allies with Wachovia, but dont want to piss off Pack. What to do?

My point is that we can't sacrifice one for the sake of the other.
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Take this for a hypothetical example. Wachovia gets attacked by Packilvania, and we aid them. Then for some reason, Rosado decides to go after Trioni while being attacked by Pack. We want to be allies with Wachovia, but dont want to piss off Pack. What to do?


I don't see how this ties in to what we're discussing now, however.

Anyway, the vote is currently a tie. As I foolishly never made any rules for this possibility, I really don't know what we should do.

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Take this for a hypothetical example. Wachovia gets attacked by Packilvania, and we aid them. Then for some reason, Rosado decides to go after Trioni while being attacked by Pack. We want to be allies with Wachovia, but dont want to piss off Pack. What to do?


I don't see how this ties in to what we're discussing now, however.

Anyway, the vote is currently a tie. As I foolishly never made any rules for this possibility, I really don't know what we should do.

I support both humanitarian and military aid.

If military aid is not given by EPTO, Govindia will give military aid and also provide and protect the humanitarian aid workers.

This will not stand while President Trevelyan is in power.
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I'm just curious...why won't you stand for this, but you do accept my slaughter of Chinese civilians? Just curious...

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Jul 1 2005, 11:05 PM
I'm just curious...why won't you stand for this, but you do accept my slaughter of Chinese civilians? Just curious...

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*Republic of Govindia is clueless as to what exactly you are talking about.
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Not long ago, I invaded the southern Chinese coast. I have so far killed several thousand civilians who don't agree with my policies. It is only a rumor IC, but OOC I admit to killing all of those people.

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Jul 2 2005, 03:05 AM
I'm just curious...why won't you stand for this, but you do accept my slaughter of Chinese civilians? Just curious...

FPS doesn't stand for either. It's just that the warmongerers in FPS don't have the evidence to proove that your slaughtering thousands in China, and the peace-lovers have accepted that 150 deaths in an invasion is quite alright.
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Good point...Gov can send troops to Heann, but Krechzianko strongly opposes it. Heck, maybe at some point we'll send troops to help Vladistock and keep Govindia out!

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Nevertheless, attacking peaceful civilians is a wicked practice. Unless the civilian(s) in question killed were volatile and taking shots at troops, killing them is inexcusable. Therefore, if Vladisotck continues this imperialistic practice and does not pull out of the sovreign country, Xiopothos just may consider deploying marines on Heann and cease to recognize Vladistock as a member nation of the EPTO. Our goal is to preserve tthe peace of the region without invading other countries in a grab fotr land and commitin murderagainst the civilian populace. Xiopothos learned this whrn we tried to "liberate" Vladistock. We have leaned our lesson, and we expect tKrechzianko to have done the same.
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Jul 2 2005, 05:36 PM
cease to recognize Vladistock as a member nation of the EPTO.

Vladistock isn't in the EPTO.
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