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| [OOCRP]EAF Terrorist Attack; Discussion OOCly | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 1 2005, 08:57:31 PM (796 Views) | |
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Aug 6 2005, 10:04:44 PM Post #61 |
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uh, we've been isolationist for about 5 years, it was mentioned in my charter ratification post and my first IC post in the EM RP thread |
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| Imatron | Aug 6 2005, 10:10:05 PM Post #62 |
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He's just copping out again. Don't mind him. And since he just made his country into an overgrown version of the Neo Arcadia Command center, I'd say he just lost all rights to have PAGAN, Terra Prime and those Zombies we've been talking about to be there. I mean, terrorists and zombies can't wreak havoc in an uber military police state right? ![]() But FGAS members have stealthed orbital weapons (only detectable by FGAS members), so if Pack wanted to he could use a FGAS SAT and fine tune the laser beam so it only kills one person. But that would be a waste of perfectly good photonic energy. |
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| Krechzianko | Aug 6 2005, 10:58:57 PM Post #63 |
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We have spies in Govindia. It is impossible to control every part of the border and to monitor every single resident of a nation, unless you are the Pax or something similar. Krechzianko's SekPa agents are pretty tricksy, so I'm assuming that we're able to break through your barriers. Saying that foreign agents can't possibly enter a nation would be godmodding. |
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| Infinite Loop | Aug 6 2005, 11:02:11 PM Post #64 |
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Yeah, I interjected in the other thread, but htis also fits here, <!--QuoteBegin-Republic of Govindia Posted: Aug 6 2005+ 10:28 PM"--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Republic of Govindia Posted: Aug 6 2005 @ 10:28 PM")</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> note: you could somehow contact one of my citizens , especially the extremist believers, and have them commit crimes in their own nation, being mine.[/QUOTE] Gov we gotta have coherence of situation, |
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| Infinite Loop | Aug 6 2005, 11:02:53 PM Post #65 |
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That and Galactica or the new station being built could easily see anything it needed to see. |
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| Free Pacific States | Aug 6 2005, 11:14:18 PM Post #66 |
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Well. To start off, for the moment, I see no reason to deny Govindia his whole border thing. Pack, himself, has informed me that he has the manpower for the operation, and I believe that supplying that manpower, though difficult, would be possible. So, his impossible to break (without actually attacking a border outpost) thing is up. However, by Govindia's own admission, he has extremists, both Islamic and otherwise, in his nation, that could easily be switched sides, via the internet or other means. So yes, his border is inpenetrable without violence. But his people are in no way indefeatable. RP, in the future, should be shown as such. |
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| Imatron | Aug 6 2005, 11:36:00 PM Post #67 |
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Pack is Pack. All he needs to do is build enough robots. For me, only certain areas are heavily gaurded. But I know what's happening here. Govindia is feaking out. When a person panics, they make huge errors. Govindia also has control issues, seeing as he only wants to be attacked by his own people with everything under his control right down to the last detail. This is not good team spirit. I opened my story bible for the Corvette line, but I'm allowing liberties to be taken. After all this is not linear, so why should I care if FPS gives a name to a medic or makes that medic an overgrown shark-like creature? Star Adventures maybe my life's work, but this is my think tank. I might get an idea here and use it linearly. Provided you don't blow up my galaxy (Which is impossible from here :P) I'm cool with liberties. Govindia, can't accept that. You practially have to spoon feed him everything you want to do, where, when, how and why they will happen. A simple idea of a telekenetic plant that is undefeatable save for the great disks is not enough for him. He needs to know the exact everything about it. And he hates special abilities, which is odd considering how he plays. Now, maybe I could have told him to read the comic versions of the books I recommended convinetly located on Bionicle's Website to get some idea of what he's up against, but he claims to have better things to do than take two hours off and read a book. Which is another oddity I noticed. The way I see it, Govindia has offically sworn off any RP within his nation now that his military has gotten a little too conviently large for his own good. Fortuently, this tends to back fire in real life, and the government gets overthrown when this kind of stuff happens. However, this is Govinida, so his people are a bunch of sheep who will gladly have the Civie to Military be 1:10 give or take.
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| Vladistock Island Delegate | Aug 7 2005, 11:37:10 PM Post #68 |
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I dont get how he can possibly claim isolationism, especially if he knows what the word means. Dictionary definition:
You pretty much do the EXACT opposite of the definition of isolationism, as you are involved in nearly every international RP. And yea, with borders as big as yours, theres no way you could monitor the whole thing, just look at the USA and there problems with illegal immigrants. |
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| Gnidrah | Aug 7 2005, 11:41:31 PM Post #69 |
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That's true, Vlad. And if Govindia were in isolationism, why then were diplomatic relations opened between the nation and Gnidrah? That's opposite that definition, as well. |
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Aug 8 2005, 08:38:51 AM Post #70 |
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Ok, maybe I did not make things clear. Imatron, sorry, but NO DICE. What FPS said was valid. I only recently got out of isolationism, but it's a slow process. We started by attending the Codexian diplomatic reception, then by participating in an anti-terror campaign, then by ratifying the Charter, then by starting up relations with Gnidrah, and limited relations with Pack. Other than that, there are no foreign citizens in Govindia other than a few diplomatic staff from Gnidrah and maybe some of his nation's citizens as tourists. Technically I have relations with Krechzianko, but I've assumed that although there's an embassy set up for him, he hasn't brought staff over yet or anything like that, so the spies think Krech said doesn't work. Other than that, there are no foriegn citizens or other diplomatic staff at all. I havent really laxed up on the borders nor have I really opened diplomatic relations with everyone like Gnidrah did. Same with international flights pretty much. And I'm modelling my BSF after India's BSF (Border Security Force), which vigourously guards all the land borders very well, and the Coast Guard guards the shoreline pretty well. So in short, is my border impenetrable? Pretty much. Can you launch a assault on a post or something to get through? Yes, you can try. Same with coastline. Don't forget we're at DEFCON 2, and going to DEFCON 1 pretty soon, so that's also a factor. Here's a thought: you could still reach the extremists through the Net. It's regulated in my country same way it's regulated in both Britain and in the US. Point is: you want to wreak havoc in my nation, do so in a sensible manner. Imatron, you've been caught godmodding things at least twice now. You want to launch a terror attack in my city? Fine. If you want to control a citizen/terror cell, PM me the post so I can see the citizen is appropriately represented, and that I can respond with other characters RPwise in an appropriate way. It's called showing courtesy and respect to fellow members on this board. I try to do the same with others here, so I suggest you do as well. |
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| Krechzianko | Aug 8 2005, 09:23:49 AM Post #71 |
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Well until you can think of a realistic and valid reason as to how you can protect such massive borders from all forms of intrusion, I'm assuming that we have people in your country. And naturally, our satellites can read newspaper print on the earh's surface, so we can see a lotta what goes on down there.
Do you seriously believe that nobody can illegally enter India? |
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Aug 8 2005, 09:36:50 AM Post #72 |
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Seriously? no they cant. not unless they cross the mountains, which is uncharted territory or held by other nations. Nonetheless, they'd be dealing with strong border guard patrols, so unless they attack them there, they can't get in. Same with the spies there....satellites aside. |
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| Vladistock Island Delegate | Aug 8 2005, 10:22:58 AM Post #73 |
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You just dont get it, you think that terrorism is controllable, and im telling you it isnt! There is no country in the entire world that can claim they have control over terrorism. It is impossible. The most powerful countries in the world still have spies and are still victims of terrorism. In a country as big as yours, with over a billion population, it is simply impossible to control every single person. If what you are suggesting is even remotely feasable, then BOOM, we have solved terrorism, crime, and corruption!!! Hey, perfect world all of a sudden eh?! Its NOT gonna happen like that. Trust me, im a 3rd year university historian and political scientist, and i'm telling you that it is not in the least bit possible. |
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| Krechzianko | Aug 8 2005, 11:04:17 AM Post #74 |
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Say it, brother! |
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Aug 8 2005, 11:12:54 AM Post #75 |
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i didnt say terrorism wasnt possible, i said there are other ways to commit attacks in my nation, but trying to directly cross the border/coastline is not one way, unless you want to assault a RCGC or a BSF post.... |
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| Krechzianko | Aug 8 2005, 11:46:51 AM Post #76 |
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Ugh...this is soooo unrealistic. |
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Aug 8 2005, 12:28:12 PM Post #77 |
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no it's not. FPS understands, and he's the RP mod. why cant you? |
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| packilvania | Aug 8 2005, 12:54:49 PM Post #78 |
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There are no mountains anymore. the pax tore them down long ago. |
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| packilvania | Aug 8 2005, 12:55:46 PM Post #79 |
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this is flame baiting. Anyone else who responds with flame will earn warn points. |
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| Free Pacific States | Aug 8 2005, 01:48:40 PM Post #80 |
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At the moment, I'm trusting Govindia to be telling the truth in regards to India's border being guarded as such. Pack himself has admitted that Gov would have the manpower, and I'll accept that Govindia could do it realistically so long as his India anology stands. Now, if you want to give real evidence of why the India Anology doesn't stand, I'd be happy to receive it, and reconsider my decision. Otherwise, discontinue this debate, as its not getting anyone anywhere. |
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| Vladistock Island Delegate | Aug 8 2005, 01:58:00 PM Post #81 |
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Alright then... -December 13th, 2001... India is victim of a terrorist attack: http://www.indianembassy.org/new/parliament_dec_13_01.htm. -India's border problems: http://www.ipcs.org/India_seminars2.jsp?ac...View&kValue=647 It's not like i plan a terrorist attack on him, and i sympathize with him not wanting his country attacked, but in my opinion its godmodding. Saying that your country is inpenetrable to foreign people entering it. |
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| Free Pacific States | Aug 8 2005, 02:12:49 PM Post #82 |
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To start, I'd like to note my sympathies to the people of India in relation to the terror attack quoted. Moving on...Govindia, have you counter evidence? Because if you don't, I'm declaring your border guard a GodMod. The only reason I'm allowing it is because you said India has accomplished the same; in response, Vladistock has given me two sources (one nuetral, one an official Indian source) that say thats totally wrong. If you don't have some of the same saying its right..I'm going to be angry, and your going to be without a border guard. |
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Aug 9 2005, 08:33:48 AM Post #83 |
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All right, look dude I do have a Border Security Force, modelled after India's BSF. VID's second page was from 2000, 5 years out of date. Furthermore, when I said it was modelled after the BSF, does not mean I did the same structure and all the same things as the BSF - it means i'm using the BSF as a basis for my nation's BSF, and expanding from that. You guys should be able to understand that. Furthermore, India does diplomatic relations with her neighbours, whereas I only have relations with one, and to my best knowledge there are no reports of extremism against Govindia from Gnidrah. I am for all intents and purposes, still in a period of isolationism. We've only talked to a few foriegn officials, and have relations with only one foreign country - Gnidrah. It's assumed that Krechzianko has an embassy but hasn't set up any staff yet, so unless it's stated, he has no people there. Just because I'm talking with people does not mean i've agreed to open up my borders. Even still, i do have border security guards at the borders, and for our border with gnidrah, they inspect things THOROUGHLY, as thoroughly even as USBCBP. So, as I said, you'll face border guards if you try to cross my border. You'll be searched, and unless you're from gnidrah, you'll be denied entry. Doesn't mean you can't RP an assault on a BSF post to get through. Air travel - not yet for other foreign flights - limited to only nationwide flights now, nowhere else. So, what I said before and now stands, and needs to be RPed as such. |
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| Krechzianko | Aug 9 2005, 08:34:49 AM Post #84 |
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You said that it was based on India's. Now you're backtracking. What a surprise! |
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Aug 9 2005, 08:35:09 AM Post #85 |
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that was not flame bait, Pack. I asked Krech simply that if FPS could understand my points, why could he not also? That's not flame baiting - it's a simple question, and I am requesting that this unjustified placing of warning points be removed in a speedy manner. |
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| Gnidrah | Aug 9 2005, 10:01:20 AM Post #86 |
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There are no reports of extremism against Govindia from Gnidrah because there are no extremists againt Govindia from Gnidrah. So, you would be correct on such point, Gov.
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Aug 9 2005, 10:58:30 AM Post #87 |
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BASED ON INDIA's DOES NOT MEAN IT IS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT EXACTLY LIKE INDIA's!!!!! i am allowed some poetic licence you know. geez dude. |
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| Krechzianko | Aug 9 2005, 11:09:11 AM Post #88 |
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Aug 9 2005, 11:13:46 AM Post #89 |
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read what i said above dude, sounds like you dont understand basic logic |
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| Krechzianko | Aug 9 2005, 11:18:20 AM Post #90 |
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As has been said many times: "I'll wait to see FPS's response." |
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