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[OOCRP]FPS Presidential Election; Democracy at Work?
Topic Started: Sep 30 2005, 08:27:20 PM (883 Views)
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Say, Pack..how'd you like to do the write-up for Chris Noe's Pax party? Seeing as the party is something like 90% drones, it would certainly make sense for you (the leading EP expert on the Hive) to write up their beliefs...if your up to it.
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So far, FPS, I'm finding it difficult to choose if I were a voter in your country. IRL I have strong Catholic moderate beliefs (no that does not make me a "bad Catholic") with an inclinations towards Christian democratic views (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy). As a result, I believe in the "consistent ethic of life" and "just war" theories and that capitalism can only be good if it has morality attached to it. Yes, if this morality involves some socialism, then let it be. I even believe that a little bit of liberation theology is a good idea and the Israeli moshavim/kibbutzim are a great agricultual idea that could exist alongside private farms. However, I am a big supporter of public broadcasting and public transportation, which influences me a bit as well. Thus, you can call me whatever you want, but I can assure you that if you ever meet me in person, you'll be meeting one of the friendliest persons in the world. This shows through in my nation, as well as my ideas on government (through the smorgasbord of other influences (http://invisionfree.com/forums/The_East_Pa...?showtopic=3475, last post). You've got me stumped.
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Sheesh, I see your problem, Blanch. Even knowing more about the parties then you (seeing as, in the back of my mind, I have more information from old RPs and the like), you've got me stumped. I mean...allow me to go through your issues one by one, however, and spell out who would be your best bet.

1. Christian Democratic/Moderate Catholic: Your best bet here would be Henrik Kroidrik of the Conservative Reform Party. Hes a deep believer in states rights (decentralized government), a supporter of socio-capitalism (which, were I to explain it fully, would come off sounding very much like capitalism with morals attached), a Catholic himself, and, though he won't publicly campaign against them as he believes in states rights, he is against abortion and same-sex marriage. On the other hand, he also believes in seperation of church and state, and in civil unions for same sex couples.

2. Consistent Ethic of Life: Uh...I really don't know what this is, so I can't help ya there, sry. :(

3. "Just War" Theory: Now, this is a real split between Terrus and Kroidrik (though it definitly is between those two). On the one hand, you have Terrus: he won't make war unless he is absolutely sure of victory, has a huge coalition with him, and has very, very, very, very good reason to go to war. So, whilst he fulfills most of the requirements, he fails you in that he won't necesarily act to stop injustices abroad.

On the other hand, you have Kroidrik: he will go to war in an instant to stop injustices abroad, or defend FPS...either from a direct threat or a future threat. Your only problem with him is that hes not necesarily going to exhaust every option before going to war...especially if he believes he can do more good by going to war immediatly.

Which of those two parts of the Just War Theory is more important to you..you'll have to decide.

4. Moral Economics: Again, Terrus or Kroidrik are your best bets here. Both support Socio-Capitalism, which is essentially capitalism with a safety net. Difference between the two is that Terrus is more inclined to have a smaller safety net(as in, providing only bare necesities) with quite a few regulations on buisness, whilst Kroidrik wants a larger safety net(as in, providing bare necesities and then a little more) with fewer regulations on buisness.

5. Agriculture: Don't go libertarian or communist. Communists would solely support moshavim/kibbutzim, and libertarians would solely support private farming.

6. Public Broadcasting/Public Transportation: Communists, Centrists (Terrus), or Conservative Reformists (Kroidrik) would all provide here.

So...yeah. Hope that helps!
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Can I try to assassinate Terrus and rig the elections to put in someone more to my way of thinking?
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Yes, and no. You can try to assasinate Terrus...though I'm not sure what that would do for you, seeing as he has no larger chance then anyone else of winning...via a fully played out RP. Perhaps Jackal style, if you'd like.

As for the election..no rigging, I'm sorry to say. ICly, the elections department is a little bit above that, and OOCly..I'm letting the EP vote to decide my leader..rigging that vote would sort of ruin the point.

Your best bet, if you want somebody else in office, would be to campaign for them.
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The Jackal, late '90s movie based around an extremely well-trained and experienced hitman and his attempt to kill the First Lady. Concentrates on him, and an Irish terrorist the FBI picks up to stop him. Great movie..you should see it.

In other words, a full assasination RP.

EDIT: Er..I should also note that The Jackal was a real hitman, Saudi Arabian I believe...very well-known. Ultimately killed by the CIA, if I remember right.
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EDIT: Er..I should also note that The Jackal was a real hitman, Saudi Arabian I believe...very well-known. Ultimately killed by the CIA, if I remember right.

As a matter of fact, you are wrong...

"Carlos" "The Jackal" or "Carlos The Jackal" is Ilich Ramirez Sánchez, he is in prison in France right now and he is Venezuelan. I know more about him, but I'm really lazy.

BTW, he was one of the main characters in "The Bourne Identity" (the book, not the movie).

Edit: I just noticed I didn't say anything relevant...

How and when will we vote?
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all right then, rogue BND Sniper out on a personal agenda to take out Terrus. got it
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fps has an imposter?
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Eh..I thought I was a bit off on the Jackal's identity...apologies there. Like five years ago my dad (who, as a sidenote, works for General Dynamics) told me the Jackal was real. Couldn't remember the rest of the info he gave me, though. And, seeing as we were discussing it, it really wasn't offtopic.

And apparently, yes, I have an imposter. Just shows how much people wanna be me! :P

As for voting..things get a bit more complicated here. First off, there is going to be a Primary Election in the Inwardly Angled Hostilities forum. ICly, this election will be for the FPS Federal Assembly (Congress), and have no bearing upon the actual election. To reiterate: this will ICly have nothing to do with the election for president. It will decide the makeup of Congress for the next year (which will have an effect on RP), but it will have no effect whatsoever on the presidential election ICly.

OOCly, however, it will have everything to do with it. See, when I started this thread, I stated that I'd be doing a full election thing...debates, campaigning, commercials, etcetera. Thing is that...I don't have the time to do that for six parties. As such, I'm going to hold the Primary Election, in which all candidates take place.

Whichever two get the most votes will then take place in a full pre-election circuit (debates, commercials, etc.), and will be the only two choices for presidential vote, when that second, final vote comes around the week before New Years.

Uhm...any questions?
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The Jackal, late '90s movie based around an extremely well-trained and experienced hitman and his attempt to kill the First Lady. Concentrates on him, and an Irish terrorist the FBI picks up to stop him. Great movie..you should see it.


Actually, it was an awesome book from the sixties long before the mediocre Bruce Willis film.

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can i send a rogue sniper to get you?

as in, he goes against BND orders and has an agenda to pop a cap in your presidential...@$$ ?
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The Jackal, late '90s movie based around an extremely well-trained and experienced hitman and his attempt to kill the First Lady. Concentrates on him, and an Irish terrorist the FBI picks up to stop him. Great movie..you should see it.


Actually, it was an awesome book from the sixties long before the mediocre Bruce Willis film.

Yea, I have the book. You know, they made a Day of the Jackal movie out of it, too...although I should note that if you thought the Jackal was mediocre, you'd hate that movie...

Um...you can RP trying to kill my president, sure thing. Whether or not you succede would, of course, be up to how well you RP your attempt. But...well, I mean, I'm not going to OOCly stop ya.
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Uhm...any questions?

No, no, I will just say I understand it and forget about it until the elections come... :ph43r:

BTW, I have no idea what "General Dynamics" do...
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General Dynamics is a US-based corporation that sells military equitment in Real Life. I'm RPing like it has a division in FPS on NS.

And, uh, as an FYI, I know so much about it because my dad's a VP.
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Sheesh, I see your problem, Blanch. Even knowing more about the parties then you (seeing as, in the back of my mind, I have more information from old RPs and the like), you've got me stumped. I mean...allow me to go through your issues one by one, however, and spell out who would be your best bet.

2. Consistent Ethic of Life: Uh...I really don't know what this is, so I can't help ya there, sry. :(

3. "Just War" Theory: Now, this is a real split between Terrus and Kroidrik (though it definitly is between those two). On the one hand, you have Terrus: he won't make war unless he is absolutely sure of victory, has a huge coalition with him, and has very, very, very, very good reason to go to war. So, whilst he fulfills most of the requirements, he fails you in that he won't necesarily act to stop injustices abroad.

On the other hand, you have Kroidrik: he will go to war in an instant to stop injustices abroad, or defend FPS...either from a direct threat or a future threat. Your only problem with him is that hes not necesarily going to exhaust every option before going to war...especially if he believes he can do more good by going to war immediatly.

Which of those two parts of the Just War Theory is more important to you..you'll have to decide.

5. Agriculture: Don't go libertarian or communist. Communists would solely support moshavim/kibbutzim, and libertarians would solely support private farming.



Well, now I see your thinking. Seeing that you have a longer memory span than me, I can see why I'm having a hard time. It's probably going to get harder when the gubernatorial elections for RI come around, becuase I'll be applying these same principles to my vote, which is most likely going to be for Gov. Carcieri.

As for what you wrote above, let me embellish on them:

1. Ah, the consistent ethic of life. Well, let me tell you a bit about that, because we just spent a week on that in my social justice class. The consistent ethic of life theory was devised by a very promient Catholic called Joseph Cardinal Bernadin. Another name for this thoery is the "seamless garment", which is named after the garment that Jesus wore before he was stripped from them on Calvary; another name is the "from womb to tomb" theory. What this theory is about is that the position of the Church has always been consistent on life issues. This means that not only is the Church against abortion and anything that promotes a nuturing, loving relationship and thus allow a natural birth; but also the Church is opposed to ending death unnaturally, such as euthanasia and capital punishment.

2. As for the just war theory, how's this - both are equally important, plus jus post bellum, which you probably have never heard of. Here's a good article on the just war theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory).

3. As for the agriculture, I think it's good to support both moshavim/kibbutzim and private farming, so maybe your suggestion is a good one.
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Well, actually, I used Wikipedia to look up Just War...forgot to look at anything past the Jus Ad Bellum, though, lol. I'm afraid, for Jus Ad Bellum, you are going to have to make a give-off. For the other two..well, its not much better.

Just in Bellum: Definitly don't wanna go towards the Hive or Communists. Their history in warfare utterly shows them not to be in compliance. Terrus would be your best here: he'd only use nukes as a last resort, would keep to the Geneva Convention, and would probably sacrifice FPS lives to save civilians.

Kroidrik, on the other hand, might be a little bit more prone to expending civilians to save FPS lives. But, like Terrus, he'd keep to the Geneva Convention, and, more out of fear of retribution then anything else, he'd only use nukes as a last resort. So hes worse, but not much worse.

Libertarian party (can't remember their candidate) would probably be the most adherant to these terms, although I should note that they'd only enter into a war if FPS were attacked directly. And, I should note, as a nation, FPS would never allow its government to use any other WMDs.

Jus Pos Bellum: Libertarians...well, to be frank, they'd end the war as quickly as they could, regardless. Both Terrus and Kroidrik would probably meet these terms.

Consistent Ethic of Life: Kroidrik, all the way. At least, based off the three issues you've given me..he's against abortion and euthenasia, and won't comment on the death penalty as he believes it should be left to the states/isn't sure the government should be allowed that power.

Keep the questions coming, if ya need to. More then happy to help ya, Blanch...or anyone else, for that matter. Want to make sure I got everyones attention for that statement. :)
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All right then, so what's each party's take on racism and casino gambling? Here in RI, casino gambling is a huge political issue, so it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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Well, on the first point, racism: there is no party that supports racism. Which isn't to say it doesn't exist in FPS, its simply to say that its no longer considered a political dilemma...almost everyone agrees racism is wrong. Closest thing to racism (depending on which side of the argument your on) is the Pax Drone Rights issue. Which was included in the original statements by parties.

As to the second point of casino gambling: communists and conservatives are against (communists because it promotes capitalism, conservatives because it promotes crime). Centrist Coalition (Terrus) is alright with it, so long as it is highly regulated. Libertarians are all for non-regulated fully legalized gambling. Not sure what the Pax think..still waiting for Pack to get back to me with their beliefs.

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Hive Drone Rights: Hive drones are people like anyone else. They are undoubtably the model citezens of the nation. Encouragement should be given to bring the rest of the nation into the Hive fold, therby alleviating many of the problems facing a unique society such as our own. Drone rights will remain as they always have; freedom with the choice to serve the greater good.

Economical System: The system we use now is great, but outdated. Much better versions of economic growth can be utilized to ensure greater gains by the state, and greater resources available to the populace. The first thing that needs to go is currency. The form of requisition it is, is outdated as well. If the populace needs it, why not just request it from the central Hive bank of resources?

International Activity: Free Pacific States is in no way more ethical or intelligent then any other nation or group. To claim otherwise would be elitist, at the least, fascist that most. However, the deplorable situations that some EP nations are facing gives even more reason to join with our bretheren of the East Pacific, and spread unity among them.

Pax Trade: Pax Trade results in the protection of the FPS enviroment through the lack of mining in FPS, the destructio of dangerous and dirty low-paying mining jobs, the creation of more, better, higher-paying jobs in manufacturing and raw material refinement, the creation of manufactured goods and refined raw materials which can be sold at low prices due to the low prices at which they were bought (not due to cheap labor), and the subsequent use of the money gained from those sales to buy more raw materials, provide more jobs, and fund the FPS government itself. In every way: economic, social, enviromental, and government, the system benefits FPS. <Same as the other guy>

FPS Military Funding: A strong offense is the best defense. We need to pump up our military, and start investing in a space force. What good is existing if it can all be destroyed from parsecs away?

FPS Military-Space Program: To not develop a defense against enemy space vessels would be ignorant and stupid, and only result in the destruction of everyhing we have worked so hard to acheive from orbit. The space force needs to become massive, and joining with the hive will give us a SIGNIFIGANT boost in materials and personel.

Street Video-Cameras: A good thing, but outdated. Hive monitering stations have all but eliminated crie in Pax territories, without invading the provacy of the non-linked.

Abortion: Abortion should not be an issue. As the hive has demonstrated, a central child rearing facility CAN work for the orphaned and unwanted. The government can take control of said children and give them training and work in the military. What more could they ask for? They become the heroes of those who could not raise them.

The Death Penalty: Is also obselete. Why kill free labour? To the mines with them all!
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lol, thank you Pack!

Election will probably happen this weekend.
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lol, thank you Pack!

Election will probably happen this weekend.

i assume it will also be figured out after it's determined if Terrus somehow survives the bomb blast?
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The question isn't whether or not Terrus will survive the blast, its whether or not the blast will occur in the first place.
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The question isn't whether or not Terrus will survive the blast, its whether or not the blast will occur in the first place.

yea, im waiting for feedback on that before I proceed IC
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And it's on!
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Mmmm...I might have gone a bit overload in length with that last post....I'd try to cut it down, but I don't really feel up to it. I should note, of course, that ya'll may feel free to skim it, but, uh...yea, your either gonna have to read or skim for yourself on this one.
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To start, let me state that, though OOCly, the election is going to be late by a great deal of time (it might not happen until February, even), it should be noted that ICly, it is on schedule. Next year, I'll simply be doing the campaigning for a bit longer in advance.

So far as the campaigning goes....the 1st Presidential Debate will be happening soon. Along those lines, if anyone has some questions (international or domestic) they'd like to have asked, or would like to see the answer to, or simply find interesting...feel free to propose them here. I'll make sure to fit them in.
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id still like to play in my rogue agent's desire, against BND orders, to kill you :P
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Well, as much as I do enjoy the politics, I'm afraid, at this point, the election has been pushed off far too much. You can begin campaigning for the next election whenever you like, Pack, but...I normally have elections every December, Pack, and I just can't push then back any further then March.

As soon as EM's thread is finished, and everybody in FPS gets outa the nuclear shelters, the election will begin.
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