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[COURT]Submission of Evidence; Govindia vs. The East Pacific
Topic Started: Dec 27 2005, 11:55:51 PM (298 Views)
Free Pacific States
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At this time, in order to substantiate my statements in other threads (in relation to Gov and Loop, not the governemnts obviously unlawful actions), I am hereby submitting the following evidence to the court.

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You have just entered room "caekget646246."
fluutterrbby has entered the room.
CaekGET: Goddess I ask that you serve as witness
fluutterrbby: ok
LazyMan259: Lop, you get my last few IMs?
CaekGET: yes
Trevlyan006L85A1 has entered the room.
Trevlyan006L85A1: hey guys
CaekGET: Ok, Gov is petetioning for readmittance to the EP
Trevlyan006L85A1: i'll be right back.
CaekGET: Gov, listen
Trevlyan006L85A1: i gotta do something for my dad real quick
Trevlyan006L85A1: ok?
CaekGET: I have asked FPS to bring your case before the court and see what the judge decrees
CaekGET: the condition is, if FPS says NO then No dice, he does not have to
LazyMan259: Er.
LazyMan259: I'm open to it.
CaekGET: But you Must abide by the ruling of the judge and or jury
LazyMan259: But...how do you want me presenting?
CaekGET: if the Judge and jury say HELL NO
CaekGET: then the anser is Hell no, no questions asked
LazyMan259: On Gov's side, on state's side, partial on state's side, or simply giving the facts and asking for a call?
CaekGET: Not sure, perhaps on some odd grounds, as you were present at the banning
LazyMan259: Well, I mean.
LazyMan259: I could just take all sides of the debate.
LazyMan259: Mm.
LazyMan259: That might be the best call.
Trevlyan006L85A1: back, give me a moment to read all this......
CaekGET: FPS or Goddess any other terms you can think of
CaekGET: I want this thing covered
Trevlyan006L85A1: look
Trevlyan006L85A1: first off
Trevlyan006L85A1: goddessness is not part of the TEP
LazyMan259: Shes a nuetral witness.
Trevlyan006L85A1: so i dont know why she's here, no offfence
LazyMan259: Which is why shes here.
fluutterrbby: he asked me to serve as witness
Trevlyan006L85A1: ok, it should have been mentioned here
fluutterrbby: it was
LazyMan259: it was
Trevlyan006L85A1: this chat is being logged by me anyway
CaekGET: Gov thsi is your Trial, and Goddess is the neutral witness, she is here to give advice as well, as she is an honary EPITE
Trevlyan006L85A1: no it wasnt
fluutterrbby: yes it was
LazyMan259: jsut b4 you showed
LazyMan259: Loop said it
LazyMan259: forgot to repeat
LazyMan259: This isn't a trial.
fluutterrbby: CaekGET: Goddess I ask that you serve as witness
LazyMan259: This is a pre-trial setup.
Trevlyan006L85A1: ok
Trevlyan006L85A1: anyhow
CaekGET: The terms above are mine so far
fluutterrbby: make this quick, please
fluutterrbby: I have things to do
CaekGET: I am open to suggestions, and as Goddess is considered as good as me there she has a right to say
Trevlyan006L85A1: look
CaekGET: of course,
Trevlyan006L85A1: i suggest
Trevlyan006L85A1: letting me come back as a embassador for TVP
Trevlyan006L85A1: let me post updates
CaekGET: No
CaekGET: I am attempting to make things all nice and legal
Trevlyan006L85A1: and treat me as any other foreign diplomat
Trevlyan006L85A1: hold on
Trevlyan006L85A1: let me finish my proposal
CaekGET: go for it
Trevlyan006L85A1: consider this to be a probationary period...if i serve as ambassador well, and act with the others in the OOC area where diplomats browse well, reconsider letting me back in as a player/ RPer.
LazyMan259: Well.
LazyMan259: Okay.
LazyMan259: At this point, we need two things.
LazyMan259: First off, a defintiion on the part of the executive.
LazyMan259: That would be you, Loop.
LazyMan259: Are you okay with letting him back in as a diplomat?
fluutterrbby: may I make a suggestion?
fluutterrbby: wait
LazyMan259: Shoot.
Trevlyan006L85A1: shoot
LazyMan259: *watches fluutterrbby take out AK*
fluutterrbby: if this is what Gov wants the court to look at in terms of readmission, then look at it
fluutterrbby: and on the flip side
fluutterrbby: look at what Loop wants the court to look at
CaekGET: Gov you have a sentence to serve in the EP, you were banned for (cannot recall full reasons) that superceedes any ANY external Userite region designs or demands
Trevlyan006L85A1: loop
fluutterrbby: weigh both proposals and judge them independently
fluutterrbby: and be done
CaekGET: unless the court approves it then No
Trevlyan006L85A1: it's been what, 4 or 5 months?
Trevlyan006L85A1: thats longenough
LazyMan259: Okay.
fluutterrbby: in your opinion
fluutterrbby: not your region
LazyMan259: So.
LazyMan259: Gov wants in as a diplomat (I'm dealing only with the very present), Loop doesn't want him.
fluutterrbby: I have to go, someone email me transcripts?
CaekGET: My first duty is to the EP
fluutterrbby has left the room.
CaekGET: allrighty
LazyMan259: Okay, so.
Trevlyan006L85A1: i'm offering my idea as a sort of probationary phase
LazyMan259: Govindia is going to apply to be let in as a diplomat on probation, Loop is against.
LazyMan259: in time, gov wants back fully
CaekGET: and I am offering you an actual Trial
Trevlyan006L85A1: let ppl flame me, discipline me for what negative reacions i do if any to them
Trevlyan006L85A1: yes, even if your trial idea may be better
LazyMan259: lol
Trevlyan006L85A1: who will represent me?
LazyMan259: No one is going to cave here.
CaekGET: Gov, your machinations almost killed the EP, you almost turned us into the NP and WP combined
LazyMan259: So, were going with trial.
Trevlyan006L85A1: in a fair and judicious manner?
LazyMan259: Loop, he makes a point.
LazyMan259: Somoene needs to represent government, someone needs to represent Gov.
CaekGET: I will Not allow the region I have cared for for Three real years to die
LazyMan259: No one can do both.
CaekGET: understood
LazyMan259: So.
CaekGET: we need someone to rep the governent and him as well
Trevlyan006L85A1: you cant represent me in absentia, and that wont be a fair trial
CaekGET: this will have to be a full on actual real like trial
Trevlyan006L85A1: if someone is going to represent me
LazyMan259: yea
CaekGET: you will be allowed to view the court
LazyMan259: Er.
Trevlyan006L85A1: they need tobe in contact with me during the trial duration
CaekGET: currently all you can see is the handbook for the recently deceased
LazyMan259: Of course, Gov.
Trevlyan006L85A1: and need to accurately represent my viewpoint.
Trevlyan006L85A1: if they aren't going to do that
Trevlyan006L85A1: i ask thatFPS be my defender
LazyMan259: Actually.
LazyMan259: I'd be your offendedr.
LazyMan259: Seeing as we'd be suing to remove an illegal ban.
LazyMan259: Hmm.
LazyMan259: Who else do we have as a Barrister?
Trevlyan006L85A1: offendedr?
LazyMan259: lol
LazyMan259: prosecutor, hjow 'bout?
Trevlyan006L85A1: lawyer for plaintiff you mean
Trevlyan006L85A1: the defence would be TEP govt., since i would be "suing" them
Trevlyan006L85A1: if this were a crimial trial
Trevlyan006L85A1: you would be my public defender
LazyMan259: Yea.
LazyMan259: But this isn't a criminal trial.
Trevlyan006L85A1: and a TEP barrister would be a TEP prosecutor, i think
Trevlyan006L85A1: oo ok
LazyMan259: We're not discussing your being banned.
LazyMan259: We're discussing the government's already banning you.
Trevlyan006L85A1: right
Trevlyan006L85A1: my second suggestion
Trevlyan006L85A1: is this
Trevlyan006L85A1: my idea for the diplomat thing, for a probationary period of time, determined by TEP.  After that, then conduct the trial as described here.
CaekGET: No probationary perios
LazyMan259: Loop.
LazyMan259: Suggest you get Pack to become a barrister.
LazyMan259: As I think about it.
LazyMan259: Wach is inactive.
LazyMan259: W_Ashley is too new.
CaekGET: Good Idea
LazyMan259: Blanch is inactive.
LazyMan259: Pack hates Gov with a passion.
CaekGET: we need him here
LazyMan259: He'd be perfect for government.
CaekGET: LOL, would be perfect
LazyMan259: On the other hand.
LazyMan259: I feel the banning was outside of EP Government's scope without a trial.
LazyMan259: Which leaves me perfect for defending Gov.
Trevlyan006L85A1: loop
Trevlyan006L85A1: what's wrong with my idea?
Trevlyan006L85A1: it's fair
Trevlyan006L85A1: it allows me to show everybody how ive been
CaekGET: it is not part of the terms I offered
Trevlyan006L85A1: it's a suggestion
CaekGET: and you ahve to agree to them before we can go any further
Trevlyan006L85A1: keep an open mind about this
CaekGET: the fact that Im offering you these terms at all is proof of my openness of mind
Trevlyan006L85A1: well what's wrong with my idea?  FPS?  Thoughts on my second suggestion?
LazyMan259: My thoughts, Gov.
LazyMan259: Is that I can get the entire decision overturned in court.
LazyMan259: And have you return as a regular civ.
LazyMan259: lol, extreme confidence aside.
LazyMan259: Loop's not going to budge on this.
LazyMan259: He's against.
LazyMan259: The idea you proposed.
LazyMan259: Not to mention returning in full.
Trevlyan006L85A1: i'd be treated like any foriegn diplomat.....what's not to like?
CaekGET: tat and I could have long ago put you on my ignore list but I didnt
Trevlyan006L85A1: will i have access to the proceedings, if i agree to this?
LazyMan259: Of course.
Trevlyan006L85A1: on the Republic of Govindia account?
LazyMan259: I'll immediatly petition Codex fori t.
Trevlyan006L85A1: and will i be able to post in a private thred chamber for me and FPS?
CaekGET: Yes, FPS will need to adjust permissions to suit the needs of his office
Trevlyan006L85A1: on the banned account?
LazyMan259: Er.
LazyMan259: That won't be me.
LazyMan259: I'll immediatly petition Codex for it.
LazyMan259: But I can't do anything adminly in relation to this trial.
LazyMan259: In relation to Gov, once the trial starts.
CaekGET: you can adjust his permissions now correct
LazyMan259: Only Codex may do permanent admin actions.
LazyMan259: Right.
LazyMan259: But it would be quite...
LazyMan259: Anti-judicial.
Trevlyan006L85A1: codex is what, the head court guy, right?
CaekGET: He is the Chief Justice of the EP
CaekGET: Our Earl Warren, or Judge Rhienquist
LazyMan259: Viceroy.
CaekGET: Now Gov I will tell you this will be a slow process
CaekGET: do you agree to the terms presendted thus far, with the knowledge that they are subject to change without prior notice?
CaekGET: it will take a week to ready everyone and brief them on what is happening
LazyMan259: Er.
CaekGET: so perhaps January 3 or so we can begin
LazyMan259: Yea, I can wait.
LazyMan259: lol
Trevlyan006L85A1: summarise what the terms are Loop, or FPS, with proper wording and all.
LazyMan259: Er.
Trevlyan006L85A1: the quicker the better for me actually....
LazyMan259: You'll agree to go to trial, and let the Court make the decision.
Trevlyan006L85A1: ......
LazyMan259: Whatever decision the court makes, you'll agree not only to abide by it, but not even to complain about it.
LazyMan259: At least, not to Loop or any EP staff or forum member.
LazyMan259: Myself excluded, as I am your lawyer.
Trevlyan006L85A1: i mean by terms
LazyMan259: And if I loose, you have the right to bitch at me about sucking ass.
CaekGET: those are the terms he is quoting
Trevlyan006L85A1: what about in terms of fairness
Trevlyan006L85A1: that the trial will be fair
CaekGET: this is the preliminary, but so far, these are as fair as you will get
Trevlyan006L85A1: that FPS will be treated with respect as representing me
LazyMan259: lol, don't worry about me
LazyMan259: I'm planning on becoming a criminal defense attorney in real life (assuming the politician gig doesn't work out)
CaekGET: FPS is an admin
CaekGET: so he will be treated fairly
LazyMan259: I can take flak.
LazyMan259: Loop, in order to let Gov examine the lawbooks, I'm asking that you allow me to un-IP ban him at this time.
CaekGET: go for it,
LazyMan259: k
CaekGET: adjust his permissions as you see fit
LazyMan259: He'll only be able to view as a guest.
CaekGET: I trust you
LazyMan259: For now, but, come a few days.
LazyMan259: When I get Codex with me..
LazyMan259: With my unmatchable arguing skills
CaekGET: Gov, you are advised to steer clear from the forums not part of the trial
CaekGET: such as In character RP
Trevlyan006L85A1: ok, look i agree to the terms, but can it be done in a quicker manner?
CaekGET: if it is quick you risk loosing
CaekGET: I want this done right
Trevlyan006L85A1: quick as in it starting sooner
Trevlyan006L85A1: rather than 3 jan.
CaekGET: there are folk still away on holiday
CaekGET: the third is the earliest I can even consider getting started
LazyMan259: Er.
CaekGET: and that if for the pretrial stuff
CaekGET: brb gotta tinkle
LazyMan259: Loop, I'll be filing immediatly, but I'll make a note that I don't require response until the 3rd.
Trevlyan006L85A1: ok
Trevlyan006L85A1: so what's going to happen
Trevlyan006L85A1: stuff starts on the 3rd
Trevlyan006L85A1: or sooner?
LazyMan259: Well.
LazyMan259: I'll be giving advanced notice sooner.
LazyMan259: And filing my motions sooner.
LazyMan259: And filing the case itself.
Trevlyan006L85A1: yes
LazyMan259: But, I dno't believe the trial, or any decisions on above stuff will be made until the 3rd.
Trevlyan006L85A1: i'd like post acess to all what you file
Trevlyan006L85A1: and i'd like consultation with me before you file anything
LazyMan259: Er.
CaekGET: also, I want the transcript of this posted in the forum
LazyMan259: i'll be going for post access immediatly
LazyMan259: Of course.
CaekGET: so all can see what was said for the record
Trevlyan006L85A1: i mean
Trevlyan006L85A1: fps
Trevlyan006L85A1: before you post any filings
Trevlyan006L85A1: i want to see what you're filing
LazyMan259: Okay.
LazyMan259: First off, a notice of intent to file.
Trevlyan006L85A1: so i can make any changes if need be
LazyMan259: And a notice of my intent to represent you.
Trevlyan006L85A1: ok
LazyMan259: Secondly, main filing (requesting the court overturn the government's ban)
Trevlyan006L85A1: ill need to see all motions
Trevlyan006L85A1: and loop
Trevlyan006L85A1: where will this transcript be posted?
LazyMan259: Thirdly, motion filing, requesting you be given posting and viewing ability in the court forum, and viewing ability for everything else.
LazyMan259: Fourthly, evidence filing, this chat.
CaekGET: in the mod squad, as well as a place where all can see it
LazyMan259: It'll be in the court, by my hand.
CaekGET: Gov, what all do you know about Hinduism
Trevlyan006L85A1: why do you ask loop?
CaekGET: jus tcurious I want to know more about it
Trevlyan006L85A1: hmm...well
CaekGET: tell me in other window
CaekGET: I put this in the wrong one
Trevlyan006L85A1: ah
CaekGET: SO are we all at agreement in thsi preliminary stage?
Trevlyan006L85A1: yes....
Trevlyan006L85A1: so it will start on 3 jan.
CaekGET: FPS, how bout you
Trevlyan006L85A1: but how soon will be able to view all these things?
CaekGET: FPS will set it up as soon as he can
LazyMan259: I'm doing it now.
CaekGET: Then this shall finalize this part of the proceedings,
CaekGET: Gov I assure you you will be treated squarely, and given a fair shake, but regardless of the outcome, remember it was your own actions that sent you to the banned list
Trevlyan006L85A1: i never said i was completely perfect
LazyMan259: Um.
LazyMan259: Loop.
LazyMan259: I need one thing from you.
LazyMan259: If the court overturns your ban.
LazyMan259: You will follow their instructions?
LazyMan259: You can, of course, attempt to ban him later through legal means.
LazyMan259: But, should they say your ban was illegal and overturn it, you will return to him the priveleges he had at the time of his banning?
CaekGET: ok, Im back
LazyMan259: Read above and respond, plz.
CaekGET: Yes, I will also abide by the rulings
LazyMan259: Okay then.
Trevlyan006L85A1: sweet
Trevlyan006L85A1: oh and i found out something interesting about jedi
Trevlyan006L85A1: apparently they couldnt love someone
Trevlyan006L85A1: b/c attachment was forbidden in the old order
Trevlyan006L85A1: but they could still copulate
Trevlyan006L85A1: weird , eh?
CaekGET: that was just a Deus ex machina for Lucas to fill in a plothole
Trevlyan006L85A1: i mean
Trevlyan006L85A1: they could have sex
Trevlyan006L85A1: but not be in love
Trevlyan006L85A1: because love was attachment
CaekGET: Jedi could love, they just were discouraged from having spouses because of the sith exploiting it as Palpatine did
Trevlyan006L85A1: love = attachment
Trevlyan006L85A1: having sex != love always
Trevlyan006L85A1: its like friends with benefits
Trevlyan006L85A1: or companionship / escorts
Trevlyan006L85A1: short of prostitution
Trevlyan006L85A1: btw
Trevlyan006L85A1: when will i be able to have viewing access
Trevlyan006L85A1: hello?
Trevlyan006L85A1: Loop?
Trevlyan006L85A1: FPS?
CaekGET: ?
Trevlyan006L85A1: see above
CaekGET: FPS will be the one to answer that
LazyMan259: er
LazyMan259: sry, stopped paying attention
LazyMan259: Viewing access will come as soon as Codex approves my motion.
LazyMan259: Um.
LazyMan259: At this time, I'd like to submit what we've said here as evidence.
LazyMan259: As such, it is requested that ya'll leave.
LazyMan259: And this chat end.
LazyMan259: TY for ur time.
CaekGET: tyty
CaekGET has left the room.
LazyMan259: Gov.
LazyMan259: If you would please.
LazyMan259: Without saying anything.
LazyMan259: As your statement would become priveleged.
LazyMan259: And tht would leave me unable to post.
LazyMan259: ...
LazyMan259: GOV
LazyMan259: Goov.
LazyMan259: Oh
LazyMan259: Gooooooov
LazyMan259: You have got to be kidding me.
Trevlyan006L85A1 has left the room.
LazyMan259: Notice that this conversation ended at 11:54 PM, Eastern Standard time, 12/67/05.
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AIM Chat with Free Pacific States <lazyman259>, Goddess <fluutterrbby>, trevlyan006l85a1.
12/27/05, 10:40 PM
Infinite Loop: allrighty this is a temp chat
Infinite Loop: Goddess I ask that you serve as witness
Goddess: ok
Free Pacific States: Lop, you get my last few IMs?
Infinite Loop: yes
Govindia: hey guys
Infinite Loop: Ok, Gov is petetioning for readmittance to the EP
Govindia: i'll be right back.
Infinite Loop: Gov, listen
Govindia: i gotta do something for my dad real quick
Govindia: ok?
Infinite Loop: I have asked FPS to bring your case before the court and see what the judge decrees
Infinite Loop: the condition is, if FPS says NO then No dice, he does not have to
Free Pacific States: Er.
Free Pacific States: I'm open to it.
Infinite Loop: But you Must abide by the ruling of the judge and or jury
Free Pacific States: But...how do you want me presenting?
Infinite Loop: if the Judge and jury say HELL NO
Infinite Loop: then the anser is Hell no, no questions asked
Free Pacific States: On Gov's side, on state's side, partial on state's side, or simply giving the facts and asking for a call?
Infinite Loop: Not sure, perhaps on some odd grounds, as you were present at the banning
Free Pacific States: Well, I mean.
Free Pacific States: I could just take all sides of the debate.
Free Pacific States: Mm.
Free Pacific States: That might be the best call.
Govindia: back, give me a moment to read all this......
Infinite Loop: FPS or Goddess any other terms you can think of
Infinite Loop: I want this thing covered
10:45 PM
Govindia: look
Govindia: first off
Govindia: goddessness is not part of the TEP
Free Pacific States: Shes a nuetral witness.
Govindia: so i dont know why she's here, no offfence
Free Pacific States: Which is why shes here.
Goddess: he asked me to serve as witness
Govindia: ok, it should have been mentioned here
Goddess: it was
Free Pacific States: it was
Govindia: this chat is being logged by me anyway
Infinite Loop: Gov thsi is your Trial, and Goddess is the neutral witness, she is here to give advice as well, as she is an honary EPITE
Govindia: no it wasnt
Goddess: yes it was
Free Pacific States: jsut b4 you showed
Free Pacific States: Loop said it
Free Pacific States: forgot to repeat
Free Pacific States: This isn't a trial.
Goddess: CaekGET: Goddess I ask that you serve as witness
Free Pacific States: This is a pre-trial setup.
Govindia: ok
Govindia: anyhow
Infinite Loop: The terms above are mine so far
Goddess: make this quick, please
Goddess: I have things to do
Infinite Loop: I am open to suggestions, and as Goddess is considered as good as me there she has a right to say
Govindia: look
Infinite Loop: of course,
Govindia: i suggest
Govindia: letting me come back as a embassador for TVP
Govindia: let me post updates
Infinite Loop: No
Infinite Loop: I am attempting to make things all nice and legal
Govindia: and treat me as any other foreign diplomat
Govindia: hold on
Govindia: let me finish my proposal
Infinite Loop: go for it
Govindia: consider this to be a probationary period...if i serve as ambassador well, and act with the others in the OOC area where diplomats browse well, reconsider letting me back in as a player/ RPer.
Free Pacific States: Well.
Free Pacific States: Okay.
Free Pacific States: At this point, we need two things.
Free Pacific States: First off, a defintiion on the part of the executive.
Free Pacific States: That would be you, Loop.
Free Pacific States: Are you okay with letting him back in as a diplomat?
Goddess: may I make a suggestion?
Goddess: wait
Free Pacific States: Shoot.
Govindia: shoot
Free Pacific States: *watches fluutterrbby take out AK*
Goddess: if this is what Gov wants the court to look at in terms of readmission, then look at it
10:50 PM
Goddess: and on the flip side
Goddess: look at what Loop wants the court to look at
Infinite Loop: Gov you have a sentence to serve in the EP, you were banned for (cannot recall full reasons) that superceedes any ANY external Userite region designs or demands
Govindia: loop
Goddess: weigh both proposals and judge them independently
Goddess: and be done
Infinite Loop: unless the court approves it then No
Govindia: it's been what, 4 or 5 months?
Govindia: thats longenough
Free Pacific States: Okay.
Goddess: in your opinion
Goddess: not your region
Free Pacific States: So.
Free Pacific States: Gov wants in as a diplomat (I'm dealing only with the very present), Loop doesn't want him.
Goddess: I have to go, someone email me transcripts?
Infinite Loop: My first duty is to the EP
Goddess has left this chat.
Infinite Loop: allrighty
Free Pacific States: Okay, so.
Govindia: i'm offering my idea as a sort of probationary phase
Free Pacific States: Govindia is going to apply to be let in as a diplomat on probation, Loop is against.
Free Pacific States: in time, gov wants back fully
Infinite Loop: and I am offering you an actual Trial
Govindia: let ppl flame me, discipline me for what negative reacions i do if any to them
Govindia: yes, even if your trial idea may be better
Free Pacific States: lol
Govindia: who will represent me?
Free Pacific States: No one is going to cave here.
Infinite Loop: Gov, your machinations almost killed the EP, you almost turned us into the NP and WP combined
Free Pacific States: So, were going with trial.
Govindia: in a fair and judicious manner?
Free Pacific States: Loop, he makes a point.
Free Pacific States: Somoene needs to represent government, someone needs to represent Gov.
Infinite Loop: I will Not allow the region I have cared for for Three real years to die
Free Pacific States: No one can do both.
Infinite Loop: understood
Free Pacific States: So.
Infinite Loop: we need someone to rep the governent and him as well
Govindia: you cant represent me in absentia, and that wont be a fair trial
Infinite Loop: this will have to be a full on actual real like trial
Govindia: if someone is going to represent me
Free Pacific States: yea
Infinite Loop: you will be allowed to view the court
Free Pacific States: Er.
Govindia: they need tobe in contact with me during the trial duration
Infinite Loop: currently all you can see is the handbook for the recently deceased
Free Pacific States: Of course, Gov.
Govindia: and need to accurately represent my viewpoint.
Govindia: if they aren't going to do that
Govindia: i ask thatFPS be my defender
10:55 PM
Free Pacific States: Actually.
Free Pacific States: I'd be your offendedr.
Free Pacific States: Seeing as we'd be suing to remove an illegal ban.
Free Pacific States: Hmm.
Free Pacific States: Who else do we have as a Barrister?
Govindia: offendedr?
Free Pacific States: lol
Free Pacific States: prosecutor, hjow 'bout?
Govindia: lawyer for plaintiff you mean
Govindia: the defence would be TEP govt., since i would be "suing" them
Govindia: if this were a crimial trial
Govindia: you would be my public defender
Free Pacific States: Yea.
Free Pacific States: But this isn't a criminal trial.
Govindia: and a TEP barrister would be a TEP prosecutor, i think
Govindia: oo ok
Free Pacific States: We're not discussing your being banned.
Free Pacific States: We're discussing the government's already banning you.
Govindia: right
Govindia: my second suggestion
Govindia: is this
Govindia: my idea for the diplomat thing, for a probationary period of time, determined by TEP. After that, then conduct the trial as described here.
Infinite Loop: No probationary perios
Free Pacific States: Loop.
Free Pacific States: Suggest you get Pack to become a barrister.
Free Pacific States: As I think about it.
Free Pacific States: Wach is inactive.
11:00 PM
Free Pacific States: W_Ashley is too new.
Infinite Loop: Good Idea
Free Pacific States: Blanch is inactive.
Free Pacific States: Pack hates Gov with a passion.
Infinite Loop: we need him here
Free Pacific States: He'd be perfect for government.
Infinite Loop: LOL, would be perfect
Free Pacific States: On the other hand.
Free Pacific States: I feel the banning was outside of EP Government's scope without a trial.
Free Pacific States: Which leaves me perfect for defending Gov.
Govindia: loop
Govindia: what's wrong with my idea?
Govindia: it's fair
Govindia: it allows me to show everybody how ive been
Infinite Loop: it is not part of the terms I offered
Govindia: it's a suggestion
Infinite Loop: and you ahve to agree to them before we can go any further
Govindia: keep an open mind about this
Infinite Loop: the fact that Im offering you these terms at all is proof of my openness of mind
Govindia: well what's wrong with my idea? FPS? Thoughts on my second suggestion?
Free Pacific States: My thoughts, Gov.
Free Pacific States: Is that I can get the entire decision overturned in court.
Free Pacific States: And have you return as a regular civ.
Free Pacific States: lol, extreme confidence aside.
Free Pacific States: Loop's not going to budge on this.
Free Pacific States: He's against.
Free Pacific States: The idea you proposed.
Free Pacific States: Not to mention returning in full.
Govindia: i'd be treated like any foriegn diplomat.....what's not to like?
Infinite Loop: tat and I could have long ago put you on my ignore list but I didnt
11:05 PM
Govindia: will i have access to the proceedings, if i agree to this?
Free Pacific States: Of course.
Govindia: on the Republic of Govindia account?
Free Pacific States: I'll immediatly petition Codex fori t.
Govindia: and will i be able to post in a private thred chamber for me and FPS?
Infinite Loop: Yes, FPS will need to adjust permissions to suit the needs of his office
Govindia: on the banned account?
Free Pacific States: Er.
Free Pacific States: That won't be me.
Free Pacific States: I'll immediatly petition Codex for it.
Free Pacific States: But I can't do anything adminly in relation to this trial.
Free Pacific States: In relation to Gov, once the trial starts.
Infinite Loop: you can adjust his permissions now correct
Free Pacific States: Only Codex may do permanent admin actions.
Free Pacific States: Right.
Free Pacific States: But it would be quite...
Free Pacific States: Anti-judicial.
Govindia: codex is what, the head court guy, right?
Infinite Loop: He is the Chief Justice of the EP
Infinite Loop: Our Earl Warren, or Judge Rhienquist
Free Pacific States: Viceroy.
11:10 PM
Infinite Loop: Now Gov I will tell you this will be a slow process
Infinite Loop: do you agree to the terms presendted thus far, with the knowledge that they are subject to change without prior notice?
Infinite Loop: it will take a week to ready everyone and brief them on what is happening
Free Pacific States: Er.
Infinite Loop: so perhaps January 3 or so we can begin
Free Pacific States: Yea, I can wait.
Free Pacific States: lol
Govindia: summarise what the terms are Loop, or FPS, with proper wording and all.
Free Pacific States: Er.
Govindia: the quicker the better for me actually....
Free Pacific States: You'll agree to go to trial, and let the Court make the decision.
Govindia: ......
Free Pacific States: Whatever decision the court makes, you'll agree not only to abide by it, but not even to complain about it.
Free Pacific States: At least, not to Loop or any EP staff or forum member.
Free Pacific States: Myself excluded, as I am your lawyer.
Govindia: i mean by terms
Free Pacific States: And if I loose, you have the right to bitch at me about sucking ass.
Infinite Loop: those are the terms he is quoting
Govindia: what about in terms of fairness
Govindia: that the trial will be fair
Infinite Loop: this is the preliminary, but so far, these are as fair as you will get
Govindia: that FPS will be treated with respect as representing me
Free Pacific States: lol, don't worry about me
Free Pacific States: I'm planning on becoming a criminal defense attorney in real life (assuming the politician gig doesn't work out)
Infinite Loop: FPS is an admin
Infinite Loop: so he will be treated fairly
Free Pacific States: I can take flak.
11:15 PM
Free Pacific States: Loop, in order to let Gov examine the lawbooks, I'm asking that you allow me to un-IP ban him at this time.
Infinite Loop: go for it,
Free Pacific States: k
Infinite Loop: adjust his permissions as you see fit
Free Pacific States: He'll only be able to view as a guest.
Infinite Loop: I trust you
Free Pacific States: For now, but, come a few days.
Free Pacific States: When I get Codex with me..
Free Pacific States: With my unmatchable arguing skills
Infinite Loop: Gov, you are advised to steer clear from the forums not part of the trial
Infinite Loop: such as In character RP
Govindia: ok, look i agree to the terms, but can it be done in a quicker manner?
Infinite Loop: if it is quick you risk loosing
Infinite Loop: I want this done right
Govindia: quick as in it starting sooner
Govindia: rather than 3 jan.
Infinite Loop: there are folk still away on holiday
Infinite Loop: the third is the earliest I can even consider getting started
Free Pacific States: Er.
Infinite Loop: and that if for the pretrial stuff
Infinite Loop: brb gotta tinkle
Free Pacific States: Loop, I'll be filing immediatly, but I'll make a note that I don't require response until the 3rd.
11:20 PM
Govindia: ok
Govindia: so what's going to happen
Govindia: stuff starts on the 3rd
Govindia: or sooner?
Free Pacific States: Well.
Free Pacific States: I'll be giving advanced notice sooner.
Free Pacific States: And filing my motions sooner.
Free Pacific States: And filing the case itself.
Govindia: yes
Free Pacific States: But, I dno't believe the trial, or any decisions on above stuff will be made until the 3rd.
Govindia: i'd like post acess to all what you file
Govindia: and i'd like consultation with me before you file anything
Free Pacific States: Er.
Infinite Loop: also, I want the transcript of this posted in the forum
Free Pacific States: i'll be going for post access immediatly
Free Pacific States: Of course.
Infinite Loop: so all can see what was said for the record
Govindia: i mean
Govindia: fps
Govindia: before you post any filings
Govindia: i want to see what you're filing
Free Pacific States: Okay.
Free Pacific States: First off, a notice of intent to file.
Govindia: so i can make any changes if need be
Free Pacific States: And a notice of my intent to represent you.
Govindia: ok
Free Pacific States: Secondly, main filing (requesting the court overturn the government's ban)
Govindia: ill need to see all motions
Govindia: and loop
Govindia: where will this transcript be posted?
Free Pacific States: Thirdly, motion filing, requesting you be given posting and viewing ability in the court forum, and viewing ability for everything else.
Free Pacific States: Fourthly, evidence filing, this chat.
11:25 PM
Infinite Loop: in the mod squad, as well as a place where all can see it
Free Pacific States: It'll be in the court, by my hand.
Infinite Loop: Gov, what all do you know about Hinduism
Govindia: why do you ask loop?
Infinite Loop: jus tcurious I want to know more about it
Govindia: hmm...well
Infinite Loop: tell me in other window
Infinite Loop: I put this in the wrong one
Govindia: ah
11:30 PM
Infinite Loop: SO are we all at agreement in thsi preliminary stage?
Govindia: yes....
Govindia: so it will start on 3 jan.
Infinite Loop: FPS, how bout you
Govindia: but how soon will be able to view all these things?
Infinite Loop: FPS will set it up as soon as he can
Free Pacific States: I'm doing it now.
Infinite Loop: Then this shall finalize this part of the proceedings,
Infinite Loop: Gov I assure you you will be treated squarely, and given a fair shake, but regardless of the outcome, remember it was your own actions that sent you to the banned list
Govindia: i never said i was completely perfect
11:35 PM
Free Pacific States: Um.
Free Pacific States: Loop.
Free Pacific States: I need one thing from you.
Free Pacific States: If the court overturns your ban.
Free Pacific States: You will follow their instructions?
Free Pacific States: You can, of course, attempt to ban him later through legal means.
Free Pacific States: But, should they say your ban was illegal and overturn it, you will return to him the priveleges he had at the time of his banning?
Infinite Loop: ok, Im back
Free Pacific States: Read above and respond, plz.
Infinite Loop: Yes, I will also abide by the rulings
Free Pacific States: Okay then.
Govindia: sweet
Govindia: oh and i found out something interesting about jedi
Govindia: apparently they couldnt love someone
Govindia: b/c attachment was forbidden in the old order
Govindia: but they could still copulate
11:40 PM
Govindia: weird , eh?
Infinite Loop: that was just a Deus ex machina for Lucas to fill in a plothole
Govindia: i mean
Govindia: they could have sex
Govindia: but not be in love
Govindia: because love was attachment
Infinite Loop: Jedi could love, they just were discouraged from having spouses because of the sith exploiting it as Palpatine did
Govindia: love = attachment
Govindia: having sex != love always
Govindia: its like friends with benefits
Govindia: or companionship / escorts
Govindia: short of prostitution
11:45 PM
Govindia: btw
Govindia: when will i be able to have viewing access
11:50 PM
Govindia: hello?
Govindia: Loop?
Govindia: FPS?
Infinite Loop: ?
Govindia: see above
Infinite Loop: FPS will be the one to answer that
Free Pacific States: er
Free Pacific States: sry, stopped paying attention
Free Pacific States: Viewing access will come as soon as Codex approves my motion.
Free Pacific States: Um.
Free Pacific States: At this time, I'd like to submit what we've said here as evidence.
Free Pacific States: As such, it is requested that ya'll leave.
Free Pacific States: And this chat end.
Free Pacific States: TY for ur time.
Infinite Loop: tyty
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