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[COURT]Submission of Evidence; Govindia vs. The East Pacific
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Topic Started: Dec 27 2005, 11:55:51 PM (298 Views)
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Free Pacific States
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Dec 27 2005, 11:55:51 PM
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At this time, in order to substantiate my statements in other threads (in relation to Gov and Loop, not the governemnts obviously unlawful actions), I am hereby submitting the following evidence to the court.
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You have just entered room "caekget646246." fluutterrbby has entered the room. CaekGET: Goddess I ask that you serve as witness fluutterrbby: ok LazyMan259: Lop, you get my last few IMs? CaekGET: yes Trevlyan006L85A1 has entered the room. Trevlyan006L85A1: hey guys CaekGET: Ok, Gov is petetioning for readmittance to the EP Trevlyan006L85A1: i'll be right back. CaekGET: Gov, listen Trevlyan006L85A1: i gotta do something for my dad real quick Trevlyan006L85A1: ok? CaekGET: I have asked FPS to bring your case before the court and see what the judge decrees CaekGET: the condition is, if FPS says NO then No dice, he does not have to LazyMan259: Er. LazyMan259: I'm open to it. CaekGET: But you Must abide by the ruling of the judge and or jury LazyMan259: But...how do you want me presenting? CaekGET: if the Judge and jury say HELL NO CaekGET: then the anser is Hell no, no questions asked LazyMan259: On Gov's side, on state's side, partial on state's side, or simply giving the facts and asking for a call? CaekGET: Not sure, perhaps on some odd grounds, as you were present at the banning LazyMan259: Well, I mean. LazyMan259: I could just take all sides of the debate. LazyMan259: Mm. LazyMan259: That might be the best call. Trevlyan006L85A1: back, give me a moment to read all this...... CaekGET: FPS or Goddess any other terms you can think of CaekGET: I want this thing covered Trevlyan006L85A1: look Trevlyan006L85A1: first off Trevlyan006L85A1: goddessness is not part of the TEP LazyMan259: Shes a nuetral witness. Trevlyan006L85A1: so i dont know why she's here, no offfence LazyMan259: Which is why shes here. fluutterrbby: he asked me to serve as witness Trevlyan006L85A1: ok, it should have been mentioned here fluutterrbby: it was LazyMan259: it was Trevlyan006L85A1: this chat is being logged by me anyway CaekGET: Gov thsi is your Trial, and Goddess is the neutral witness, she is here to give advice as well, as she is an honary EPITE Trevlyan006L85A1: no it wasnt fluutterrbby: yes it was LazyMan259: jsut b4 you showed LazyMan259: Loop said it LazyMan259: forgot to repeat LazyMan259: This isn't a trial. fluutterrbby: CaekGET: Goddess I ask that you serve as witness LazyMan259: This is a pre-trial setup. Trevlyan006L85A1: ok Trevlyan006L85A1: anyhow CaekGET: The terms above are mine so far fluutterrbby: make this quick, please fluutterrbby: I have things to do CaekGET: I am open to suggestions, and as Goddess is considered as good as me there she has a right to say Trevlyan006L85A1: look CaekGET: of course, Trevlyan006L85A1: i suggest Trevlyan006L85A1: letting me come back as a embassador for TVP Trevlyan006L85A1: let me post updates CaekGET: No CaekGET: I am attempting to make things all nice and legal Trevlyan006L85A1: and treat me as any other foreign diplomat Trevlyan006L85A1: hold on Trevlyan006L85A1: let me finish my proposal CaekGET: go for it Trevlyan006L85A1: consider this to be a probationary period...if i serve as ambassador well, and act with the others in the OOC area where diplomats browse well, reconsider letting me back in as a player/ RPer. LazyMan259: Well. LazyMan259: Okay. LazyMan259: At this point, we need two things. LazyMan259: First off, a defintiion on the part of the executive. LazyMan259: That would be you, Loop. LazyMan259: Are you okay with letting him back in as a diplomat? fluutterrbby: may I make a suggestion? fluutterrbby: wait LazyMan259: Shoot. Trevlyan006L85A1: shoot LazyMan259: *watches fluutterrbby take out AK* fluutterrbby: if this is what Gov wants the court to look at in terms of readmission, then look at it fluutterrbby: and on the flip side fluutterrbby: look at what Loop wants the court to look at CaekGET: Gov you have a sentence to serve in the EP, you were banned for (cannot recall full reasons) that superceedes any ANY external Userite region designs or demands Trevlyan006L85A1: loop fluutterrbby: weigh both proposals and judge them independently fluutterrbby: and be done CaekGET: unless the court approves it then No Trevlyan006L85A1: it's been what, 4 or 5 months? Trevlyan006L85A1: thats longenough LazyMan259: Okay. fluutterrbby: in your opinion fluutterrbby: not your region LazyMan259: So. LazyMan259: Gov wants in as a diplomat (I'm dealing only with the very present), Loop doesn't want him. fluutterrbby: I have to go, someone email me transcripts? CaekGET: My first duty is to the EP fluutterrbby has left the room. CaekGET: allrighty LazyMan259: Okay, so. Trevlyan006L85A1: i'm offering my idea as a sort of probationary phase LazyMan259: Govindia is going to apply to be let in as a diplomat on probation, Loop is against. LazyMan259: in time, gov wants back fully CaekGET: and I am offering you an actual Trial Trevlyan006L85A1: let ppl flame me, discipline me for what negative reacions i do if any to them Trevlyan006L85A1: yes, even if your trial idea may be better LazyMan259: lol Trevlyan006L85A1: who will represent me? LazyMan259: No one is going to cave here. CaekGET: Gov, your machinations almost killed the EP, you almost turned us into the NP and WP combined LazyMan259: So, were going with trial. Trevlyan006L85A1: in a fair and judicious manner? LazyMan259: Loop, he makes a point. LazyMan259: Somoene needs to represent government, someone needs to represent Gov. CaekGET: I will Not allow the region I have cared for for Three real years to die LazyMan259: No one can do both. CaekGET: understood LazyMan259: So. CaekGET: we need someone to rep the governent and him as well Trevlyan006L85A1: you cant represent me in absentia, and that wont be a fair trial CaekGET: this will have to be a full on actual real like trial Trevlyan006L85A1: if someone is going to represent me LazyMan259: yea CaekGET: you will be allowed to view the court LazyMan259: Er. Trevlyan006L85A1: they need tobe in contact with me during the trial duration CaekGET: currently all you can see is the handbook for the recently deceased LazyMan259: Of course, Gov. Trevlyan006L85A1: and need to accurately represent my viewpoint. Trevlyan006L85A1: if they aren't going to do that Trevlyan006L85A1: i ask thatFPS be my defender LazyMan259: Actually. LazyMan259: I'd be your offendedr. LazyMan259: Seeing as we'd be suing to remove an illegal ban. LazyMan259: Hmm. LazyMan259: Who else do we have as a Barrister? Trevlyan006L85A1: offendedr? LazyMan259: lol LazyMan259: prosecutor, hjow 'bout? Trevlyan006L85A1: lawyer for plaintiff you mean Trevlyan006L85A1: the defence would be TEP govt., since i would be "suing" them Trevlyan006L85A1: if this were a crimial trial Trevlyan006L85A1: you would be my public defender LazyMan259: Yea. LazyMan259: But this isn't a criminal trial. Trevlyan006L85A1: and a TEP barrister would be a TEP prosecutor, i think Trevlyan006L85A1: oo ok LazyMan259: We're not discussing your being banned. LazyMan259: We're discussing the government's already banning you. Trevlyan006L85A1: right Trevlyan006L85A1: my second suggestion Trevlyan006L85A1: is this Trevlyan006L85A1: my idea for the diplomat thing, for a probationary period of time, determined by TEP. After that, then conduct the trial as described here. CaekGET: No probationary perios LazyMan259: Loop. LazyMan259: Suggest you get Pack to become a barrister. LazyMan259: As I think about it. LazyMan259: Wach is inactive. LazyMan259: W_Ashley is too new. CaekGET: Good Idea LazyMan259: Blanch is inactive. LazyMan259: Pack hates Gov with a passion. CaekGET: we need him here LazyMan259: He'd be perfect for government. CaekGET: LOL, would be perfect LazyMan259: On the other hand. LazyMan259: I feel the banning was outside of EP Government's scope without a trial. LazyMan259: Which leaves me perfect for defending Gov. Trevlyan006L85A1: loop Trevlyan006L85A1: what's wrong with my idea? Trevlyan006L85A1: it's fair Trevlyan006L85A1: it allows me to show everybody how ive been CaekGET: it is not part of the terms I offered Trevlyan006L85A1: it's a suggestion CaekGET: and you ahve to agree to them before we can go any further Trevlyan006L85A1: keep an open mind about this CaekGET: the fact that Im offering you these terms at all is proof of my openness of mind Trevlyan006L85A1: well what's wrong with my idea? FPS? Thoughts on my second suggestion? LazyMan259: My thoughts, Gov. LazyMan259: Is that I can get the entire decision overturned in court. LazyMan259: And have you return as a regular civ. LazyMan259: lol, extreme confidence aside. LazyMan259: Loop's not going to budge on this. LazyMan259: He's against. LazyMan259: The idea you proposed. LazyMan259: Not to mention returning in full. Trevlyan006L85A1: i'd be treated like any foriegn diplomat.....what's not to like? CaekGET: tat and I could have long ago put you on my ignore list but I didnt Trevlyan006L85A1: will i have access to the proceedings, if i agree to this? LazyMan259: Of course. Trevlyan006L85A1: on the Republic of Govindia account? LazyMan259: I'll immediatly petition Codex fori t. Trevlyan006L85A1: and will i be able to post in a private thred chamber for me and FPS? CaekGET: Yes, FPS will need to adjust permissions to suit the needs of his office Trevlyan006L85A1: on the banned account? LazyMan259: Er. LazyMan259: That won't be me. LazyMan259: I'll immediatly petition Codex for it. LazyMan259: But I can't do anything adminly in relation to this trial. LazyMan259: In relation to Gov, once the trial starts. CaekGET: you can adjust his permissions now correct LazyMan259: Only Codex may do permanent admin actions. LazyMan259: Right. LazyMan259: But it would be quite... LazyMan259: Anti-judicial. Trevlyan006L85A1: codex is what, the head court guy, right? CaekGET: He is the Chief Justice of the EP CaekGET: Our Earl Warren, or Judge Rhienquist LazyMan259: Viceroy. CaekGET: Now Gov I will tell you this will be a slow process CaekGET: do you agree to the terms presendted thus far, with the knowledge that they are subject to change without prior notice? CaekGET: it will take a week to ready everyone and brief them on what is happening LazyMan259: Er. CaekGET: so perhaps January 3 or so we can begin LazyMan259: Yea, I can wait. LazyMan259: lol Trevlyan006L85A1: summarise what the terms are Loop, or FPS, with proper wording and all. LazyMan259: Er. Trevlyan006L85A1: the quicker the better for me actually.... LazyMan259: You'll agree to go to trial, and let the Court make the decision. Trevlyan006L85A1: ...... LazyMan259: Whatever decision the court makes, you'll agree not only to abide by it, but not even to complain about it. LazyMan259: At least, not to Loop or any EP staff or forum member. LazyMan259: Myself excluded, as I am your lawyer. Trevlyan006L85A1: i mean by terms LazyMan259: And if I loose, you have the right to bitch at me about sucking ass. CaekGET: those are the terms he is quoting Trevlyan006L85A1: what about in terms of fairness Trevlyan006L85A1: that the trial will be fair CaekGET: this is the preliminary, but so far, these are as fair as you will get Trevlyan006L85A1: that FPS will be treated with respect as representing me LazyMan259: lol, don't worry about me LazyMan259: I'm planning on becoming a criminal defense attorney in real life (assuming the politician gig doesn't work out) CaekGET: FPS is an admin CaekGET: so he will be treated fairly LazyMan259: I can take flak. LazyMan259: Loop, in order to let Gov examine the lawbooks, I'm asking that you allow me to un-IP ban him at this time. CaekGET: go for it, LazyMan259: k CaekGET: adjust his permissions as you see fit LazyMan259: He'll only be able to view as a guest. CaekGET: I trust you LazyMan259: For now, but, come a few days. LazyMan259: When I get Codex with me.. LazyMan259: With my unmatchable arguing skills CaekGET: Gov, you are advised to steer clear from the forums not part of the trial CaekGET: such as In character RP Trevlyan006L85A1: ok, look i agree to the terms, but can it be done in a quicker manner? CaekGET: if it is quick you risk loosing CaekGET: I want this done right Trevlyan006L85A1: quick as in it starting sooner Trevlyan006L85A1: rather than 3 jan. CaekGET: there are folk still away on holiday CaekGET: the third is the earliest I can even consider getting started LazyMan259: Er. CaekGET: and that if for the pretrial stuff CaekGET: brb gotta tinkle LazyMan259: Loop, I'll be filing immediatly, but I'll make a note that I don't require response until the 3rd. Trevlyan006L85A1: ok Trevlyan006L85A1: so what's going to happen Trevlyan006L85A1: stuff starts on the 3rd Trevlyan006L85A1: or sooner? LazyMan259: Well. LazyMan259: I'll be giving advanced notice sooner. LazyMan259: And filing my motions sooner. LazyMan259: And filing the case itself. Trevlyan006L85A1: yes LazyMan259: But, I dno't believe the trial, or any decisions on above stuff will be made until the 3rd. Trevlyan006L85A1: i'd like post acess to all what you file Trevlyan006L85A1: and i'd like consultation with me before you file anything LazyMan259: Er. CaekGET: also, I want the transcript of this posted in the forum LazyMan259: i'll be going for post access immediatly LazyMan259: Of course. CaekGET: so all can see what was said for the record Trevlyan006L85A1: i mean Trevlyan006L85A1: fps Trevlyan006L85A1: before you post any filings Trevlyan006L85A1: i want to see what you're filing LazyMan259: Okay. LazyMan259: First off, a notice of intent to file. Trevlyan006L85A1: so i can make any changes if need be LazyMan259: And a notice of my intent to represent you. Trevlyan006L85A1: ok LazyMan259: Secondly, main filing (requesting the court overturn the government's ban) Trevlyan006L85A1: ill need to see all motions Trevlyan006L85A1: and loop Trevlyan006L85A1: where will this transcript be posted? LazyMan259: Thirdly, motion filing, requesting you be given posting and viewing ability in the court forum, and viewing ability for everything else. LazyMan259: Fourthly, evidence filing, this chat. CaekGET: in the mod squad, as well as a place where all can see it LazyMan259: It'll be in the court, by my hand. CaekGET: Gov, what all do you know about Hinduism Trevlyan006L85A1: why do you ask loop? CaekGET: jus tcurious I want to know more about it Trevlyan006L85A1: hmm...well CaekGET: tell me in other window CaekGET: I put this in the wrong one Trevlyan006L85A1: ah CaekGET: SO are we all at agreement in thsi preliminary stage? Trevlyan006L85A1: yes.... Trevlyan006L85A1: so it will start on 3 jan. CaekGET: FPS, how bout you Trevlyan006L85A1: but how soon will be able to view all these things? CaekGET: FPS will set it up as soon as he can LazyMan259: I'm doing it now. CaekGET: Then this shall finalize this part of the proceedings, CaekGET: Gov I assure you you will be treated squarely, and given a fair shake, but regardless of the outcome, remember it was your own actions that sent you to the banned list Trevlyan006L85A1: i never said i was completely perfect LazyMan259: Um. LazyMan259: Loop. LazyMan259: I need one thing from you. LazyMan259: If the court overturns your ban. LazyMan259: You will follow their instructions? LazyMan259: You can, of course, attempt to ban him later through legal means. LazyMan259: But, should they say your ban was illegal and overturn it, you will return to him the priveleges he had at the time of his banning? CaekGET: ok, Im back LazyMan259: Read above and respond, plz. CaekGET: Yes, I will also abide by the rulings LazyMan259: Okay then. Trevlyan006L85A1: sweet Trevlyan006L85A1: oh and i found out something interesting about jedi Trevlyan006L85A1: apparently they couldnt love someone Trevlyan006L85A1: b/c attachment was forbidden in the old order Trevlyan006L85A1: but they could still copulate Trevlyan006L85A1: weird , eh? CaekGET: that was just a Deus ex machina for Lucas to fill in a plothole Trevlyan006L85A1: i mean Trevlyan006L85A1: they could have sex Trevlyan006L85A1: but not be in love Trevlyan006L85A1: because love was attachment CaekGET: Jedi could love, they just were discouraged from having spouses because of the sith exploiting it as Palpatine did Trevlyan006L85A1: love = attachment Trevlyan006L85A1: having sex != love always Trevlyan006L85A1: its like friends with benefits Trevlyan006L85A1: or companionship / escorts Trevlyan006L85A1: short of prostitution Trevlyan006L85A1: btw Trevlyan006L85A1: when will i be able to have viewing access Trevlyan006L85A1: hello? Trevlyan006L85A1: Loop? Trevlyan006L85A1: FPS? CaekGET: ? Trevlyan006L85A1: see above CaekGET: FPS will be the one to answer that LazyMan259: er LazyMan259: sry, stopped paying attention LazyMan259: Viewing access will come as soon as Codex approves my motion. LazyMan259: Um. LazyMan259: At this time, I'd like to submit what we've said here as evidence. LazyMan259: As such, it is requested that ya'll leave. LazyMan259: And this chat end. LazyMan259: TY for ur time. CaekGET: tyty CaekGET has left the room. LazyMan259: Gov. LazyMan259: If you would please. LazyMan259: Without saying anything. LazyMan259: As your statement would become priveleged. LazyMan259: And tht would leave me unable to post. LazyMan259: ... LazyMan259: GOV LazyMan259: Goov. LazyMan259: Oh LazyMan259: Gooooooov LazyMan259: You have got to be kidding me. Trevlyan006L85A1 has left the room. LazyMan259: Notice that this conversation ended at 11:54 PM, Eastern Standard time, 12/67/05.
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Dec 28 2005, 10:46:31 PM
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Take Off, Eh?
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AIM Chat with Free Pacific States <lazyman259>, Goddess <fluutterrbby>, trevlyan006l85a1. 12/27/05, 10:40 PM Infinite Loop: allrighty this is a temp chat Infinite Loop: Goddess I ask that you serve as witness Goddess: ok Free Pacific States: Lop, you get my last few IMs? Infinite Loop: yes Govindia: hey guys Infinite Loop: Ok, Gov is petetioning for readmittance to the EP Govindia: i'll be right back. Infinite Loop: Gov, listen Govindia: i gotta do something for my dad real quick Govindia: ok? Infinite Loop: I have asked FPS to bring your case before the court and see what the judge decrees Infinite Loop: the condition is, if FPS says NO then No dice, he does not have to Free Pacific States: Er. Free Pacific States: I'm open to it. Infinite Loop: But you Must abide by the ruling of the judge and or jury Free Pacific States: But...how do you want me presenting? Infinite Loop: if the Judge and jury say HELL NO Infinite Loop: then the anser is Hell no, no questions asked Free Pacific States: On Gov's side, on state's side, partial on state's side, or simply giving the facts and asking for a call? Infinite Loop: Not sure, perhaps on some odd grounds, as you were present at the banning Free Pacific States: Well, I mean. Free Pacific States: I could just take all sides of the debate. Free Pacific States: Mm. Free Pacific States: That might be the best call. Govindia: back, give me a moment to read all this...... Infinite Loop: FPS or Goddess any other terms you can think of Infinite Loop: I want this thing covered 10:45 PM Govindia: look Govindia: first off Govindia: goddessness is not part of the TEP Free Pacific States: Shes a nuetral witness. Govindia: so i dont know why she's here, no offfence Free Pacific States: Which is why shes here. Goddess: he asked me to serve as witness Govindia: ok, it should have been mentioned here Goddess: it was Free Pacific States: it was Govindia: this chat is being logged by me anyway Infinite Loop: Gov thsi is your Trial, and Goddess is the neutral witness, she is here to give advice as well, as she is an honary EPITE Govindia: no it wasnt Goddess: yes it was Free Pacific States: jsut b4 you showed Free Pacific States: Loop said it Free Pacific States: forgot to repeat Free Pacific States: This isn't a trial. Goddess: CaekGET: Goddess I ask that you serve as witness Free Pacific States: This is a pre-trial setup. Govindia: ok Govindia: anyhow Infinite Loop: The terms above are mine so far Goddess: make this quick, please Goddess: I have things to do Infinite Loop: I am open to suggestions, and as Goddess is considered as good as me there she has a right to say Govindia: look Infinite Loop: of course, Govindia: i suggest Govindia: letting me come back as a embassador for TVP Govindia: let me post updates Infinite Loop: No Infinite Loop: I am attempting to make things all nice and legal Govindia: and treat me as any other foreign diplomat Govindia: hold on Govindia: let me finish my proposal Infinite Loop: go for it Govindia: consider this to be a probationary period...if i serve as ambassador well, and act with the others in the OOC area where diplomats browse well, reconsider letting me back in as a player/ RPer. Free Pacific States: Well. Free Pacific States: Okay. Free Pacific States: At this point, we need two things. Free Pacific States: First off, a defintiion on the part of the executive. Free Pacific States: That would be you, Loop. Free Pacific States: Are you okay with letting him back in as a diplomat? Goddess: may I make a suggestion? Goddess: wait Free Pacific States: Shoot. Govindia: shoot Free Pacific States: *watches fluutterrbby take out AK* Goddess: if this is what Gov wants the court to look at in terms of readmission, then look at it 10:50 PM Goddess: and on the flip side Goddess: look at what Loop wants the court to look at Infinite Loop: Gov you have a sentence to serve in the EP, you were banned for (cannot recall full reasons) that superceedes any ANY external Userite region designs or demands Govindia: loop Goddess: weigh both proposals and judge them independently Goddess: and be done Infinite Loop: unless the court approves it then No Govindia: it's been what, 4 or 5 months? Govindia: thats longenough Free Pacific States: Okay. Goddess: in your opinion Goddess: not your region Free Pacific States: So. Free Pacific States: Gov wants in as a diplomat (I'm dealing only with the very present), Loop doesn't want him. Goddess: I have to go, someone email me transcripts? Infinite Loop: My first duty is to the EP Goddess has left this chat. Infinite Loop: allrighty Free Pacific States: Okay, so. Govindia: i'm offering my idea as a sort of probationary phase Free Pacific States: Govindia is going to apply to be let in as a diplomat on probation, Loop is against. Free Pacific States: in time, gov wants back fully Infinite Loop: and I am offering you an actual Trial Govindia: let ppl flame me, discipline me for what negative reacions i do if any to them Govindia: yes, even if your trial idea may be better Free Pacific States: lol Govindia: who will represent me? Free Pacific States: No one is going to cave here. Infinite Loop: Gov, your machinations almost killed the EP, you almost turned us into the NP and WP combined Free Pacific States: So, were going with trial. Govindia: in a fair and judicious manner? Free Pacific States: Loop, he makes a point. Free Pacific States: Somoene needs to represent government, someone needs to represent Gov. Infinite Loop: I will Not allow the region I have cared for for Three real years to die Free Pacific States: No one can do both. Infinite Loop: understood Free Pacific States: So. Infinite Loop: we need someone to rep the governent and him as well Govindia: you cant represent me in absentia, and that wont be a fair trial Infinite Loop: this will have to be a full on actual real like trial Govindia: if someone is going to represent me Free Pacific States: yea Infinite Loop: you will be allowed to view the court Free Pacific States: Er. Govindia: they need tobe in contact with me during the trial duration Infinite Loop: currently all you can see is the handbook for the recently deceased Free Pacific States: Of course, Gov. Govindia: and need to accurately represent my viewpoint. Govindia: if they aren't going to do that Govindia: i ask thatFPS be my defender 10:55 PM Free Pacific States: Actually. Free Pacific States: I'd be your offendedr. Free Pacific States: Seeing as we'd be suing to remove an illegal ban. Free Pacific States: Hmm. Free Pacific States: Who else do we have as a Barrister? Govindia: offendedr? Free Pacific States: lol Free Pacific States: prosecutor, hjow 'bout? Govindia: lawyer for plaintiff you mean Govindia: the defence would be TEP govt., since i would be "suing" them Govindia: if this were a crimial trial Govindia: you would be my public defender Free Pacific States: Yea. Free Pacific States: But this isn't a criminal trial. Govindia: and a TEP barrister would be a TEP prosecutor, i think Govindia: oo ok Free Pacific States: We're not discussing your being banned. Free Pacific States: We're discussing the government's already banning you. Govindia: right Govindia: my second suggestion Govindia: is this Govindia: my idea for the diplomat thing, for a probationary period of time, determined by TEP. After that, then conduct the trial as described here. Infinite Loop: No probationary perios Free Pacific States: Loop. Free Pacific States: Suggest you get Pack to become a barrister. Free Pacific States: As I think about it. Free Pacific States: Wach is inactive. 11:00 PM Free Pacific States: W_Ashley is too new. Infinite Loop: Good Idea Free Pacific States: Blanch is inactive. Free Pacific States: Pack hates Gov with a passion. Infinite Loop: we need him here Free Pacific States: He'd be perfect for government. Infinite Loop: LOL, would be perfect Free Pacific States: On the other hand. Free Pacific States: I feel the banning was outside of EP Government's scope without a trial. Free Pacific States: Which leaves me perfect for defending Gov. Govindia: loop Govindia: what's wrong with my idea? Govindia: it's fair Govindia: it allows me to show everybody how ive been Infinite Loop: it is not part of the terms I offered Govindia: it's a suggestion Infinite Loop: and you ahve to agree to them before we can go any further Govindia: keep an open mind about this Infinite Loop: the fact that Im offering you these terms at all is proof of my openness of mind Govindia: well what's wrong with my idea? FPS? Thoughts on my second suggestion? Free Pacific States: My thoughts, Gov. Free Pacific States: Is that I can get the entire decision overturned in court. Free Pacific States: And have you return as a regular civ. Free Pacific States: lol, extreme confidence aside. Free Pacific States: Loop's not going to budge on this. Free Pacific States: He's against. Free Pacific States: The idea you proposed. Free Pacific States: Not to mention returning in full. Govindia: i'd be treated like any foriegn diplomat.....what's not to like? Infinite Loop: tat and I could have long ago put you on my ignore list but I didnt 11:05 PM Govindia: will i have access to the proceedings, if i agree to this? Free Pacific States: Of course. Govindia: on the Republic of Govindia account? Free Pacific States: I'll immediatly petition Codex fori t. Govindia: and will i be able to post in a private thred chamber for me and FPS? Infinite Loop: Yes, FPS will need to adjust permissions to suit the needs of his office Govindia: on the banned account? Free Pacific States: Er. Free Pacific States: That won't be me. Free Pacific States: I'll immediatly petition Codex for it. Free Pacific States: But I can't do anything adminly in relation to this trial. Free Pacific States: In relation to Gov, once the trial starts. Infinite Loop: you can adjust his permissions now correct Free Pacific States: Only Codex may do permanent admin actions. Free Pacific States: Right. Free Pacific States: But it would be quite... Free Pacific States: Anti-judicial. Govindia: codex is what, the head court guy, right? Infinite Loop: He is the Chief Justice of the EP Infinite Loop: Our Earl Warren, or Judge Rhienquist Free Pacific States: Viceroy. 11:10 PM Infinite Loop: Now Gov I will tell you this will be a slow process Infinite Loop: do you agree to the terms presendted thus far, with the knowledge that they are subject to change without prior notice? Infinite Loop: it will take a week to ready everyone and brief them on what is happening Free Pacific States: Er. Infinite Loop: so perhaps January 3 or so we can begin Free Pacific States: Yea, I can wait. Free Pacific States: lol Govindia: summarise what the terms are Loop, or FPS, with proper wording and all. Free Pacific States: Er. Govindia: the quicker the better for me actually.... Free Pacific States: You'll agree to go to trial, and let the Court make the decision. Govindia: ...... Free Pacific States: Whatever decision the court makes, you'll agree not only to abide by it, but not even to complain about it. Free Pacific States: At least, not to Loop or any EP staff or forum member. Free Pacific States: Myself excluded, as I am your lawyer. Govindia: i mean by terms Free Pacific States: And if I loose, you have the right to bitch at me about sucking ass. Infinite Loop: those are the terms he is quoting Govindia: what about in terms of fairness Govindia: that the trial will be fair Infinite Loop: this is the preliminary, but so far, these are as fair as you will get Govindia: that FPS will be treated with respect as representing me Free Pacific States: lol, don't worry about me Free Pacific States: I'm planning on becoming a criminal defense attorney in real life (assuming the politician gig doesn't work out) Infinite Loop: FPS is an admin Infinite Loop: so he will be treated fairly Free Pacific States: I can take flak. 11:15 PM Free Pacific States: Loop, in order to let Gov examine the lawbooks, I'm asking that you allow me to un-IP ban him at this time. Infinite Loop: go for it, Free Pacific States: k Infinite Loop: adjust his permissions as you see fit Free Pacific States: He'll only be able to view as a guest. Infinite Loop: I trust you Free Pacific States: For now, but, come a few days. Free Pacific States: When I get Codex with me.. Free Pacific States: With my unmatchable arguing skills Infinite Loop: Gov, you are advised to steer clear from the forums not part of the trial Infinite Loop: such as In character RP Govindia: ok, look i agree to the terms, but can it be done in a quicker manner? Infinite Loop: if it is quick you risk loosing Infinite Loop: I want this done right Govindia: quick as in it starting sooner Govindia: rather than 3 jan. Infinite Loop: there are folk still away on holiday Infinite Loop: the third is the earliest I can even consider getting started Free Pacific States: Er. Infinite Loop: and that if for the pretrial stuff Infinite Loop: brb gotta tinkle Free Pacific States: Loop, I'll be filing immediatly, but I'll make a note that I don't require response until the 3rd. 11:20 PM Govindia: ok Govindia: so what's going to happen Govindia: stuff starts on the 3rd Govindia: or sooner? Free Pacific States: Well. Free Pacific States: I'll be giving advanced notice sooner. Free Pacific States: And filing my motions sooner. Free Pacific States: And filing the case itself. Govindia: yes Free Pacific States: But, I dno't believe the trial, or any decisions on above stuff will be made until the 3rd. Govindia: i'd like post acess to all what you file Govindia: and i'd like consultation with me before you file anything Free Pacific States: Er. Infinite Loop: also, I want the transcript of this posted in the forum Free Pacific States: i'll be going for post access immediatly Free Pacific States: Of course. Infinite Loop: so all can see what was said for the record Govindia: i mean Govindia: fps Govindia: before you post any filings Govindia: i want to see what you're filing Free Pacific States: Okay. Free Pacific States: First off, a notice of intent to file. Govindia: so i can make any changes if need be Free Pacific States: And a notice of my intent to represent you. Govindia: ok Free Pacific States: Secondly, main filing (requesting the court overturn the government's ban) Govindia: ill need to see all motions Govindia: and loop Govindia: where will this transcript be posted? Free Pacific States: Thirdly, motion filing, requesting you be given posting and viewing ability in the court forum, and viewing ability for everything else. Free Pacific States: Fourthly, evidence filing, this chat. 11:25 PM Infinite Loop: in the mod squad, as well as a place where all can see it Free Pacific States: It'll be in the court, by my hand. Infinite Loop: Gov, what all do you know about Hinduism Govindia: why do you ask loop? Infinite Loop: jus tcurious I want to know more about it Govindia: hmm...well Infinite Loop: tell me in other window Infinite Loop: I put this in the wrong one Govindia: ah 11:30 PM Infinite Loop: SO are we all at agreement in thsi preliminary stage? Govindia: yes.... Govindia: so it will start on 3 jan. Infinite Loop: FPS, how bout you Govindia: but how soon will be able to view all these things? Infinite Loop: FPS will set it up as soon as he can Free Pacific States: I'm doing it now. Infinite Loop: Then this shall finalize this part of the proceedings, Infinite Loop: Gov I assure you you will be treated squarely, and given a fair shake, but regardless of the outcome, remember it was your own actions that sent you to the banned list Govindia: i never said i was completely perfect 11:35 PM Free Pacific States: Um. Free Pacific States: Loop. Free Pacific States: I need one thing from you. Free Pacific States: If the court overturns your ban. Free Pacific States: You will follow their instructions? Free Pacific States: You can, of course, attempt to ban him later through legal means. Free Pacific States: But, should they say your ban was illegal and overturn it, you will return to him the priveleges he had at the time of his banning? Infinite Loop: ok, Im back Free Pacific States: Read above and respond, plz. Infinite Loop: Yes, I will also abide by the rulings Free Pacific States: Okay then. Govindia: sweet Govindia: oh and i found out something interesting about jedi Govindia: apparently they couldnt love someone Govindia: b/c attachment was forbidden in the old order Govindia: but they could still copulate 11:40 PM Govindia: weird , eh? Infinite Loop: that was just a Deus ex machina for Lucas to fill in a plothole Govindia: i mean Govindia: they could have sex Govindia: but not be in love Govindia: because love was attachment Infinite Loop: Jedi could love, they just were discouraged from having spouses because of the sith exploiting it as Palpatine did Govindia: love = attachment Govindia: having sex != love always Govindia: its like friends with benefits Govindia: or companionship / escorts Govindia: short of prostitution 11:45 PM Govindia: btw Govindia: when will i be able to have viewing access 11:50 PM Govindia: hello? Govindia: Loop? Govindia: FPS? Infinite Loop: ? Govindia: see above Infinite Loop: FPS will be the one to answer that Free Pacific States: er Free Pacific States: sry, stopped paying attention Free Pacific States: Viewing access will come as soon as Codex approves my motion. Free Pacific States: Um. Free Pacific States: At this time, I'd like to submit what we've said here as evidence. Free Pacific States: As such, it is requested that ya'll leave. Free Pacific States: And this chat end. Free Pacific States: TY for ur time. Infinite Loop: tyty
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