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Topic Started: Sep 2 2008, 11:58:45 PM (1,572 Views)
Infinite Loop
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i forgot to post this earlier

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And with those facts out of the way, I will tell you what we will do to accommodate you.

1: Of all the members of The East Pacific on the confederacy board, we will make you all government officials as long as you swear not to try taking The Empress out of the delegacy. Half of you will become high nobles, half of you low nobles. There are ways to advance your rank, they are explained. You will choose who becomes high and low, we will not impose that choice on you.

Warr is aware of the lengths I will go to in order to facilitate communication. It is the Noble Houses that will decide the exact shape of the government.

2: We will make Loop and one other to be selected by yourselves as a global moderator. We will not make any of you administrators until we are confident that you will not abuse your powers, as Loop has already done on The Confederacy. I will not decide when you are trust-worthy, I will probably never trust you, The Empress and the rest of the Imperial Court will decide that.


Since the Confederacy’s members would make up the greatest portion of the Nobility if you are inducted, you will have a very liberal ability to create the government. That alone gives you unprecedented power within The Empire.

I will listen to other suggestions and respond in detail as to why they are or not acceptable. But do not ask for the moon, I’m not in the mood to rope it for you. I am here to compromise, not hand control back to the Confederacy entirely. If you can COMPRIMISE, we will continue to have a subject to discuss.
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it has been suggested that we be in charge of the skin
and well I would like to see the ads too.
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Well I have be given my one and only warning by Lorn Rahl. xD.

It does sound like the best offer I have seen from them but it is my choice not to join in on this thread. I just could not join The Empire as it is on a war path, but I will not stand in the way of anybody who thinks this is a god offer and we could work on it.
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good point , they are warmongers, we are not.
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good point , they are warmongers, we are not.

We are just as much warmongers as they. We might say we are not, but we bring up conflict just as much, and take drastic action just as much.

EM, you've been doing stuff on their forum which, despite me thinking you a friend, would've long since got you gagged and thereafter banned for doing, such as portraying a negative light on -everything-, and doing stuff just to facilitate an irritation at them's venting.

I personally think their offer is fair, though I would like to see a bit of oversite on security from us, as well. I'm not in opinion that a singular member (Or two, in the case of Phedre and the Inquisitor) should have the right to lay down accusations and decide right then and there if they're correct or not.


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I know I have annoyed them and have chosen not to stand in the way of anyone else who like the offer. I haven't been banned, yet. <_<.
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Well... that could indeed be a fair offer, at least to some extent. Sure as hell, they're far better than us at "government thingies". Denying it would be rather stupid.

This way, we could have them doing the most part of the boring work while we focus on funny things like RPing and so on.

However, as far as i'm concerned, I'll be glad to be just Reziel, there. No upper or lower noble. Kneeing down and hailing is not something I would like too much... therefore, I'm just freeing a seat for whoever will take it, lol!

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I encourage you all to make a decision about this, I would make a poll, and all but I fell that a vote in post would be better
if you have any ideas you want submitted, then please tell me so I can submit them.

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I'm tempted to agree to that, except a major dealbreaker: them declaring war on another feeder region.

I have no desire to be embroiled in OOC politics, let alone an OOC war. If that war is terminated the rest of the problems (the frankly idiotic pseudo-religion and the monarchiness of their setup) are minor - and we could hopefully get rid of all that in good time.


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I've thought about this a bit more, and it doesn't get better.

For one thing, we'd be assimilating into their system. Most likely they'll demand all kinds of pompous loyalty oaths and such. Add to that, the reason I'm here is because I enjoy the friendly atmosphere and the friendly people, and I feel I'm among friends. I'm not sure a group of invader game players in a structure based in the feudal era, who are overtly suspicious of us will exactly be a good fit. I forsee a lot of tension here.

What I do know so far is not encouraging. If they're going to be suspicious of us, are we actually going to have the power to mould that environment into a better fit? We already know that the authoritarian, monarchical structure will not change, and they'll ask us to promise not to challenge it. I find this assurance of the power to change things suspect, I have a feeling that our actions and changes could well run into implacable vetoes.

Unfortunately, none of this solves the problem at present. I cannot reccomend to others that we go down this road, but if the rest of you are willing, then I'm willing to tag along just to see if I'm being overly pessimistic. However, I'm increasingly tempted to simply move to another region where I've already got some friends, because as I said it's to be among friends that I'm here, and I'm not willing to swear allegiances, be purified, take oaths, etc. just to do that.
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Most likely they'll demand all kinds of pompous loyalty oaths and such.

IF I'm correct, that wouldn't be necessary. Rahl has posted something about being "knights of the east pacific order" or whatever he names it. The important part seems that no one will be required to kneel and hail and trumpet and so on, which is rather positive.

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Add to that, the reason I'm here is because I enjoy the friendly atmosphere and the friendly people, and I feel I'm among friends. I'm not sure a group of invader game players in a structure based in the feudal era, who are overtly suspicious of us will exactly be a good fit. I forsee a lot of tension here.

I quote ^ 100

About you doubts... I quote, too. Some of them are indeed open-handed people, but some other won't move of an inch. Above all not to make room for us.
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One recalls the Senate in the NPD...
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Could you elaborate? I don't even know what the NPD is.
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Oh, TNP in the Pixiedance days- back when I was a noob. The NPD was Ivans government back then. The Senate was basically what the Upper/Lower Nobles are in the Empire, similar rhetoric but basically a rubber stamp. whilst the real power remained with the Delegate and his close advisors, designed to give legitimacy to their government by showing that they had "native" support and involvement. That's the simplest way of putting it anyway.

In the words of the Padishah Emperor; "Control the Delegacy and the Forum — let the rabble have the rest."

Just sayin'.

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drakkengard
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What he offers is no compromise, its only a disguised submission.
Anyone who register there and swear an oath can be a low noble, so half of his offer means nothing, and even be an upper noble means only you´re powerless with a fancier title...
Despite their claim we would have power in the empire as the nobility, as Rahl said himself they don´t trust us, and he clearly show that all power will remain with the empress and her imperial court.
From what i read on their forum, the only way to advance there is: They decide to promote you whenever they want...
And even if they trusted us, i think they wouldn´t ever settle for less than have all power in their hands, and offer us a real compromise...
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I'd rather move to another region than go along with this setup. It just adds a whole dimension to the game that I don't really like whatsoever. This sort of OOC crap, lets face it, it's not intended to be a part of the game, that's why the influence system exists. I'd probably pull up stakes and either move to Atlantean Oceania(sic?), the region where half the countries I interact with through the olympics are anyway, or a region with some RL friends who've been bugging the hell out of me. Either way, the answer is no.
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I also say no, altough I don't have another region to move to.
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Allrighty then, I will leave teh tepic open till I get home then I woll take your general concensus to them wia a quate from here.
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I'm remaining neutral on this. I don't really care what goes on NSwise as long as I can continue to tell my stories without interference. Having said that, if a large number of people leave, I may follow them as it would be pointless trying to remain in a rump community.
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I have to remain neutral.

But I will tell you what you get here.

What Rahl has proposed is that you move to their forum and adopt their "government" as far as it is right now, with the prospect of changing it around.

You have some movement room on say the skin (which they seek a new one anyway) and other small details of how the community is run. If you are unhappy with the proposal consider the consequences of not taking it.

My imagination tells me that it will be worse than what you have right now.

Take it on good faith, get your emotes and forum design and ads back, and then work as a part of the system rather than an outside threat.

Oh and might I suggest an immunity clause? Immunity from being removed from noble status for aribtary reasons?

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Sorry, but their government as it is, is unacceptable...

I don´t accept being ruled from above. Power must belong to the majority.

I would consider their government acceptable only if we (and by we i mean everyone in the East Pacific, confederate or imperial) had a parliament where their decisions could be overruled by vote.

If they have a just government, they shouldn´t fear that, as the majority would approve their decisions.

And i fear more the consequence of accepting their proposal, because moving to a forum where only they are admins, means that we´ll be at their mercy.







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I must say the I will never accept nobility among the peoples. IC'ly the Pax are completely against any kind of social hierarchy, and OOCly, i will not bow before anyone. I refused to bow before Loop, and I refuse to bow before Gnidh. I would stand next to them as friends and allies in the worst of situations. I would vote we move to another region, even one we have to found ourselves. This group is at its best a group of friends who have a community. Frankly, I'm offended that it could all be destroyed by what are probably a bunch of tweens stroking their egos.
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I am home and at Midnight my time [it is 10 pm my time as of this posting] I will let them know the decision as per posts on this forum.


If you like Packs suggestion. well I do own The Middle East Pacific now and that is where I am, in the deep desert.
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This is a great community full of wonderful people, and it's been an honor to know you all. That said, it is the community, the unity thereof, that makes it good. We never had a civil war, or treason, or other such drama on the level of other regions. Why? Because we were united, and without enmity.

It would be far worse to lose this unity by scattering to the four winds and giving up on TEP than to subordinate to anything or anyone. Stick together, and what matters about TEP - its community - will endure and thrive. That, at least, cannot be removed by any delegate or admin. Split apart, and what no one can take from you will be lost.
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Kandarin should just implode from the sheer ridiculousness of it all.
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I mean, no nation could ever sustain that many contradicting belief systems and still exist.
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I am beginning to copy your responses over.
I am in The Confederated East Pacific myself Kand.
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Allrighty as of my last post I have made your feelings known.
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You've made the responses known Loop, but allow me to chime in my thoughts:

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I'm tempted to agree to that, except a major dealbreaker: them declaring war on another feeder region.

I have no desire to be embroiled in OOC politics, let alone an OOC war. If that war is terminated the rest of the problems (the frankly idiotic pseudo-religion and the monarchiness of their setup) are minor - and we could hopefully get rid of all that in good time.


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I've thought about this a bit more, and it doesn't get better.

For one thing, we'd be assimilating into their system. Most likely they'll demand all kinds of pompous loyalty oaths and such. Add to that, the reason I'm here is because I enjoy the friendly atmosphere and the friendly people, and I feel I'm among friends. I'm not sure a group of invader game players in a structure based in the feudal era, who are overtly suspicious of us will exactly be a good fit. I forsee a lot of tension here.

What I do know so far is not encouraging. If they're going to be suspicious of us, are we actually going to have the power to mould that environment into a better fit? We already know that the authoritarian, monarchical structure will not change, and they'll ask us to promise not to challenge it. I find this assurance of the power to change things suspect, I have a feeling that our actions and changes could well run into implacable vetoes.

Unfortunately, none of this solves the problem at present. I cannot reccomend to others that we go down this road, but if the rest of you are willing, then I'm willing to tag along just to see if I'm being overly pessimistic. However, I'm increasingly tempted to simply move to another region where I've already got some friends, because as I said it's to be among friends that I'm here, and I'm not willing to swear allegiances, be purified, take oaths, etc. just to do that.


I agree very much with this. I'm not going to partake in some false religion, and their monarchical setup smacks of how the Spanish Government was during the Inquisition period. Unacceptable. I also agree that them going to war with The North Pacific also pretty much will lead me to say HELL NO as well.

When I came here I was welcomed and forgiven. Some welcomed me on their forum but others, especially one person of "nobility" decided it was ok to greet me with a wish that I die and burn in hell <_<. Which leads me to believe that any chance of showing civility towards us is low.

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What he offers is no compromise, its only a disguised submission.
Anyone who register there and swear an oath can be a low noble, so half of his offer means nothing, and even be an upper noble means only you´re powerless with a fancier title...
Despite their claim we would have power in the empire as the nobility, as Rahl said himself they don´t trust us, and he clearly show that all power will remain with the empress and her imperial court.
From what i read on their forum, the only way to advance there is: They decide to promote you whenever they want...
And even if they trusted us, i think they wouldn´t ever settle for less than have all power in their hands, and offer us a real compromise...


Plus they admit they do not trust us and will not even give us admin powers. We'll basically be figureheads who will only have power in name but not actuality. How can it be a compromise if we do not get a chance to rule as well? We are the true natives, not them!

Furthermore, how can they even compromise if they continue to hide behind their identities. If they expect us to trust and support them why can't they come clean and identify themselves? Must they feel the need to have a title of nobility? And what the hell is this Kaiga religion? :lol: Such a joke.

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Take it on good faith, get your emotes and forum design and ads back, and then work as a part of the system rather than an outside threat.


I'd have to disagree here. To me, they are the outside threat. THey had a chance to come and work with us, to post here and try to help us boost activity. No overture or attempt was made to do so. They just instead decided the best course of action was to invade and overthrow the legitimate delegate without even ATTEMPTING to contact us first.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to also join the side of my brethren who say "no." I will not make any oaths to "nobility," I will not kneel or bow down to any foreign monarch, and I will not be treated like some puppet.

I will not accept this "compromise". :ph43r:
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in AIM conversations with some folks privvy to the Empire, it was inferred that I was to be some sort of figure head to unite and drive the non nobility , no power just there to dance a spritely jig to amuse the nobels.
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in AIM conversations with some folks privvy to the Empire, it was inferred that I was to be some sort of figure head to unite and drive the non nobility , no power just there to dance a spritely jig to amuse the nobels.

You are more than that mate.

I would never think you'd demean yourself to that level at all. If they think you will, they're dead wrong :ph43r:
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Sep 3 2008, 11:30 PM
This group is at its best a group of friends who have a community. Frankly, I'm offended that it could all be destroyed by what are probably a bunch of tweens stroking their egos.

My feelings exactly.
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I don't know if I have the right to give my point of view about this, but for what I can see, this "proposal" would give the people of this forum two choices, either agree with everything they say and become a puppet or leave. And if people start to leave this place they would eventually become the real power in TEP and not just a group of invaders...either way they win.

I really don't think this proposal should be accepted... It would just destroy everything you have created through all this years.
I don't want to conquer the world, I want the people to put me as their leader for themselves (or I will have to conquer it, anyways it will be mine soon).

"What is a rebel? A man who says no" -Albert Camus-

"The greatest joy a man can know is to conquer his enemies and drive them before him. To ride their horses and take away their possessions. To see the faces of those who were dear to them bedewed with tears, and to clasp their wives and daughters in his arms." -Genghis Khan-
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