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| Topic Started: Dec 12 2008, 09:50:06 AM (1,830 Views) | |
| packilvania | Dec 12 2008, 09:50:06 AM Post #1 |
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Caliph
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This Hive will move shortly. Phedre seems inactive and here endo count is rapidly dropping. I will move into the East Pacific and begin a massive unendorse campaign/ endorse me campaign. I need volunteers to assist. I think I can message everyone on her list in an hour. I need someone with the proper contacts to let me in on the secret o when she or her cohorts usually log on. For this to work I need to get this done before she logs on and I am not sure I have the influence to eject/ban them all. The Hive shall liberate you all. |
![]() "The Cybernets shall overrun every thing you hold dear. Assimilate." Loop: Well that rules out my Atomic Metroid Spy Toilet I had planned. DFD: WAAAAH, you butt hurt me. Cry cry cry. Todd My foreign officer ended up pushing her wiener (gl@sses) further up the bridge of her nose. | |
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| Infinite Loop | Dec 13 2008, 12:13:00 AM Post #2 |
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Take Off, Eh?
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Cool, I have told Stripe the same thing, as soon as you want me to move in I will because it will be a alert when I move. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken, | |
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| packilvania | Dec 13 2008, 05:39:05 PM Post #3 |
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Caliph
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I figure four people dividing up the mass unendorse campaign will be enough. We can cover all her endorser's then. We need to decide who will be endorsed. This will be the hardest as you will want to message everyone online, and the ENTIRE East pacific. This will take a few people. Not all need to be WA. So who wants to be delegate? |
![]() "The Cybernets shall overrun every thing you hold dear. Assimilate." Loop: Well that rules out my Atomic Metroid Spy Toilet I had planned. DFD: WAAAAH, you butt hurt me. Cry cry cry. Todd My foreign officer ended up pushing her wiener (gl@sses) further up the bridge of her nose. | |
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| Infinite Loop | Dec 13 2008, 11:36:12 PM Post #4 |
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Take Off, Eh?
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Stripe is interested, if he has the drive I suggest him or you. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken, | |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Dec 14 2008, 05:54:20 PM Post #5 |
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What stripe?
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Hi Loop and Hive, I apologize if I've given the appearance that I know the appropriate strategy and tactics for this action. I've never raided, invaded, or defended a region before. I've taken a fairly simple approach to this and it will probably get me in trouble in the end. I have continued to telegram nations to unendorse Phedre, and endorse Dannistaan and A Slanted Black Stripe. That's really all that I know how to do. I try to make the messages personal and I invite a lot of questions. It's really quite tedious, but I have weakened Phedre and I've got them focused on me. I just don't think she has enough influence to eject me, or I'd be gone. I was contacted by someone outside of the region, possibly offering to help, and I said I don't know what to do with that. Please contact Dannistaan. I would ask you to do the same thing. Please work with Dannistaan. Dannistaan has also been willing to be a public target. He certainly has the forum credentials to work with you guys. Until I started my one-telegram-at-a-time campaign, I had no presence on any forum, so that's a fair criticism of me. If selected to be delegate, I'll do what I promised. Pay attention to WA. Elimimate the mass ejections. Invite ejected nations back. And no endorsement cap. At least at the beginning. I'm trying to learn some lessons and it looks like a region is most stable if a few nations have a lot of endorsements, as a check and balance on one another. One more thing ... I've had some odd correspondence with some people who I think were trying to determine if I'm some master game player, who has dropped into this region to play games. I'm not. I think my ignorance of most of their questions made that pretty clear. It has also been suggested the Phedre and Biyah/Rahl are long-time master gamers in NationStates, so I should be careful. You all have been active, probably know the history, and may be able to make more sense of those warnings. If you need me to do something, send an email or a telegram. I check the forum now and then, but not as frequently as I should. A Slanted Black Stripe |
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| Infinite Loop | Dec 14 2008, 11:01:40 PM Post #6 |
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Take Off, Eh?
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Phedre and Rahl just got lucky, they used to be lackeys in the ADN and knew a bit of their tactics, and they just happened to find a major region that was stagnant, unfortunantly they became just the kind of people the game doesnt like self serving elitists, also I made you and Kurd citizens even though you havnt ratified the charter so you can see this. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken, | |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Dec 15 2008, 12:22:25 AM Post #7 |
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What stripe?
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I got this in a telegram from a nation who has been willing to continue a conversation with me. Please keep this in confidence, but it is the information the Empire is sending out. We have screenshots from two groups saying that there was an invasion planned. Basically, a flood of new nations would flop WA's and endorse an invader lead. If and when that failed, they would switch to another, and then another. It's a takeoff on an old style of liberation/invasion known as puppetmaster, just not quite as effective as the old attack because pre-endorsement is now illegal in the game. An unendo campaign by throw-away nations (all of which were removed) and the leads (Dannistan and Stripe) began 24 hours before the bannings. That campaign was slated to be the ‘opening shots’ of the invasion. Lady Phedre didn’t/doesn’t have the necessary influence to remove the leads (like A Slanted Black Stripe). We chose, instead, to remove a mass of new nations. Yes, it looks bad, but most- if not all- were invader plants just waiting to be activated. Every one of those nations (to my knowledge) was immediately telegrammed and advised that they had not been banned, and they were free to return. It is no lie that Stripe and Dannistan, Confederate members, sat idle on their butts for 115 days until after those ejections (which were explained) and the Delegate, Phedre, had to take a brief leave to treat herself and her family for illness. At best, they’ve been spinning half truths since this entire thing began. Stripe |
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| Kandarin | Dec 15 2008, 01:01:17 AM Post #8 |
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Ferret princess
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This is erroneous. Part of the point of a switch invasion is that nobody - not the soldiers, not the planners - has any idea who the attacking nations are. One of the big downsides of regional invasions is that even a single mole in the attacking group can rat out all the others. By telling people to set up *some* nation in the target region and switch over later, planners keep that information out of the hands of potential spies, even in their own command group. Even if there was such an invasion planned - even if they had screenshots - they'd not be able to identify the invader plants. Regardless, there's no invader group in NS now with the manpower to pull off that tactic. |
"Torpored Caitiff Antediluvian"
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| flemingovia | Dec 15 2008, 08:37:01 AM Post #9 |
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Kilroy was here
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It is certainly false that " most- if not all- were invader plants " I have spoken with several and their reaction has pretty universally been "wtf - I have been in TEP for ever, and I do not understand what just happened. " There may be some invader groups messing around in TEP - I do not know - but nothing on the scale alleged by the Empire. |
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| Kandarin | Dec 15 2008, 11:38:35 AM Post #10 |
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Ferret princess
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I've spoken with some as well - The aforementioned immediate telegrams advising them that they could return were sent by me. Their reactions were universally the same as you describe. |
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| flemingovia | Dec 15 2008, 12:12:01 PM Post #11 |
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Kilroy was here
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Did you send those on behalf of the Empire? Because they are claiming credit for it. |
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| Infinite Loop | Dec 15 2008, 11:15:54 PM Post #12 |
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Take Off, Eh?
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It is funny, the empire takes advantage of a region that is suffering, and that is A/OK. but if we happen to attack when Minnineenee is having family problems we are dishonorable. and it was they who said all is fair in love and war. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Endorsements recieved ( 69 ) : Cupertino, 1 Infinite Loop, 2 Infinite Loop, Infinite Loop, Bob Mckenzie, Shinagami, Shortbus, Magic Emperor Ghaelon, Ghaelon, SLAK, Prarie squid, Alys Whitill, The Cabin Grrrrl, The Cabin Girl, hax0rstan, Black Wolf Furries, Mr OWL, Vladimir Harkonnen, Uncle Duke, McTropolis, Avignon, Caesar Calligula, Max Zorin, Deus Ex Fiat, Walter Koenig, The True Reich, Atlanta Constitution, Fark Propaganda Corps, The Knights of Colombus, Fertile Sputniks, Jude Streicher,Otto Skorzeny, Nicholas der Kirchwass, Megalocyathus, Lil Megalocyathus, Uncle Toms Nation, Simon Legree, Yatta_, Lowtax, Patriotute, Doctor Zaius, General Ursus, Corneluis the ape, Nova the wild human, Bright eyes taylor, Dr Zira, Alex Chiu, Honkey the Goose, StandartenFuerher, Neko Mimi, The NS Invaders, Free n Accepted Masons.Miss Tessmacher, Hurricane Jezebel ,Rbt E Lee ,Dead Yankee ,U S Grant ,General Mead, Baron Karza, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Col Sanders, Aunt Jemimas witnesses, of the people Q, Le French Stereotypes, Qfdsdiozbnf, Alan Scott, Baltar the Traitor, Mok Mok the Jawa, space kraken, | |
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| Kandarin | Dec 15 2008, 11:44:22 PM Post #13 |
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I did not. |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Dec 16 2008, 01:31:53 PM Post #14 |
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What stripe?
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Anybody in conversation with the nation of Emperor Matthius? He continues to endorse Lady Phedre. He posted one note that I've seen where he questioned my comment about endorsement caps and asked why people were not more suspicious of my activities. I tried to explain to him that I readily admit to being naive about the endorsement caps. I've listened to all of you who have more experience and wisdom. I also suggested that he engage me with questions, but I have not heard more from him. |
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| flemingovia | Dec 16 2008, 02:35:53 PM Post #15 |
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Kilroy was here
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i know EM. He weighs about 2000 tonnes, and you can trust him as far as you can throw him. Do not touch with a barge pole. |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Dec 17 2008, 11:35:48 AM Post #16 |
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What stripe?
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More confidential examples of telegrams from the Empire. Greetings, Alot of commotion in The East Pacific here lately. It seems we have rebels trying to gain power. We are trying to maintain the regions stability. I am asking for your help in this. It would be very much appreciated if you would endorse the delegate. We also ask that you un-endorse A Slanted Black Stripe, and Dannistaan. After learning that Lady Phedre was dealing with sickness in the family they have started a campaign to take the region from her. So in the name of a peaceful, and productive community, I ask you this favor. -Lady Tisiphone ---------- Hi! I'm Lady Phedre, Delegate of The East Pacific. I've endorsed you and would be very appreciative if you would endorse me in return. Also, I'd like to warn you of a few nations that may be contacting you, or have already contacted you. A Slanted Black Stripe and Dannistaan are trying to cause unrest in the region. They are using half truths to attempt to overthrow the legitimate government here. Please do not endorse them. It is important for regional security. Thank you Lady Phedre ---------------- Greetings You have been mislead. The Confederates, whom Dannistan and A Slanted Black Stripe hail from, let this region fall into the pits of inactivity. I don't say this as a rallying cry, just the truth. One person managed to take the region from them, and three people have managed to keep it. The Confederates are a dried out husk. The only way they've come close to taking the region is waiting for a time when the Delegate, Lady Phedre, has admitted in public that her entire family was very sick. When it comes to logging in VS taking care of one's child, the child wins every time. I find it sad, but amusing, that neither Dannistan nor A Slanted Black Stripe bothered to be active while they had no chance of ruling the region. Nobody heard a peep out of them until this last week. They have lied, they have cheated, they have used the dirtiest tactics to slander and dirty Lady Phedre. I ask that you join our forum, that you put paid to the lies. Unendorse A Slanted Black Stripe, save the region from the scum of Nationstates! http://z7.invisionfree.com/the_purified_lands (1) I'm really surprised that the sick child argument carries so much weight. I honestly didn't know her child was sick, but I'm not sure how it changes anything since the "ever watchful" Biyah was not sick. The Empire is all powerful. It's hard to believe that it could fall because a child got sick. (2) While I would feel like a more responsible member of The East Pacific if I had been involved in the previous government, the truth is I wasn't. I finally woke up and decided to do something. Admittedly, I ignored all the regional government issues until a few weeks ago. I started asking around and decided to do the only thing I had the power to do ... write telegrams. And I did not originally intend to be a candidate for delegate. I took that up because so many people began to endorse me. I was happy when Dannistaan stepped up. I think with mutiple rallying points, it's harder for the Empire to shut it down. (3) I don't know how I could "cheat." I can only write telegrams. The Empire has all of the power. If any of you are also involved in contacting nations asking people to unendorse Lady Phedre, I thought you might want to put it in context. Thanks, A Slanted Black Stripe |
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| flemingovia | Dec 17 2008, 12:38:06 PM Post #17 |
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Kilroy was here
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I'm not sure the "sick child" argument does carry that much weight. Frankly, they have been using the sick child more than anyone else has - to gain sympathy. I admit to being surprised at Neenee. I have small children and I would never, ever, allow them to be used as a tactical ploy in an online game. there are some ways in which RL and gaming should not mix. |
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| Kandarin | Dec 17 2008, 01:54:38 PM Post #18 |
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I was sick for the week this scandal started. Like, "can't get up out of bed because every part of my body will be in agony if I move" sick. When I finally did become non-delirious enough to consider getting online again, I mentioned it to a few NSers who asked how I was feeling. If somebody'd made a move on the RR a few days later, I wouldn't have even considered the possibility that my illness was being used against me. |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Dec 17 2008, 03:40:20 PM Post #19 |
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After Grand Imperial Mattyness of Emperor Matthuis withdrew his endorsement of my nation, I sent a telegram, asking if we could have a conversation and received the following: As I previously mentioned, as a former delegate of a feeder I empathise with the forceful tactics a leader has to use to retain control. Thus, I support such tactics as censorship, mass-ejections, and the-like. Furthermore, I would point out that with nations such as yourself trying to depose them, it is no wonder Lady Phedre has little time for the WA. I shall not support you. Kind Regards, ~Matty Last I checked, he was still endorsing Dannistaan and Lady Phedre. I could argue that Lady Phedre was minimally participating in WA before I came along, but I don't think it will have much impact on him. I'll stay away. |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Dec 17 2008, 06:41:01 PM Post #20 |
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Anyone know anything about either of these nations: Most Serene Republic of Naerdinel United Socialist States of Gross Twuelpstedt I've tried to engage them in conversation, but no response. |
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| Infinite Loop | Dec 17 2008, 09:39:59 PM Post #21 |
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Take Off, Eh?
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Emperor Matt was the First Confed to defect, I believe he to be is league with them from the get go, as for teh sick child thing it is but a sympathy ploy, and just as I dont like nor allow the mention of race for sympathy here I will not and recommend that you all not fall for such a similar sympathy ploy. I could be rather blunt about the child issue but I gaurantee if I expressed my opinion it would find its way to her and she would do the "injured/wronged woman" stchick and try to get me banned. |
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| flemingovia | Dec 18 2008, 02:33:18 AM Post #22 |
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Kilroy was here
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EM will lick the boots of whoever is in power, right up until the time a better offer comes along. once Phedre is gone, he will be back here as if nothing has happened. |
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| Infinite Loop | Dec 18 2008, 03:44:28 AM Post #23 |
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Take Off, Eh?
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| Kelssek | Dec 18 2008, 05:52:00 AM Post #24 |
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Hero of the Soviet Onion
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I think it's important to hit their sympathy ploy head-on. Question the truthfulness of it, if necessary; I honestly don't believe it's true for a second. If there is an announcement - where?? In telegrams, post links to this forum, and encourage people to familiarise themselves with the true situation, and invite them to discuss it here - it would also be helpful if we made our version of events prominent on this forum. This weekend I'll get down to some mass telegramming. Hopefully that will help in the propaganda battle. SEVERAL EDITS LATER: My thoughts on a good message: 1. Everything must be as honest and concise as possible. We should refrain from using inflammatory words like "scum" as the Empire is doing, and take the high road, though that doesn't mean we don't attack their points ferociously. 2. Use inclusive language; emphasising that we (including the recipient) are the "native", organic (in the sense of "naturally occuring") East Pacific and the reader is a part of it. Do not refer to "confederates" as some kind of political faction; that's part of the Empire's tactic through the use of language. Quite simply, we are the East Pacific, and the Empire is not; they just want to control it. Express understanding that many are going to find this regional politics thing rather pointless. We don't like it either, so let's get rid of the people who play the invader game and the regional politics. 3. Put things into perspective. Most uninvolved parties will have no idea what's going on or why. Explain the situation - particularly the invader game - and use this to lead into the fact that The Empire wants to control the East Pacific for power and prestige. Explicitly expose their motives. 4. Emphasise that they are the invaders. Attack the premise of "regional security": it's not the region's security they're worried about, but the security of their own power over it. And above all, call them on the blatant, outright lie regarding inactivity. Invite them to visit this forum and see how "inactive" we were/are. Also, it's worth pointing out that while we proudly use the name "The East Pacific" in our title bar, our URL, our registered domain, and our header graphic, on the z7 board the closest they get is "T E P" in the title bar, which might stand for "The Empire" for all we know... This board has been the home of the East Pacific since 2003, and still is. 5. Point out the rigid and nobility based system of the invaders, and contrast that with our open and democratic style. Emphasise again that we, like them, would rather be playing our nations and not bothering with this nonsense but because The Empire is involved in it they'll be dragged into it as members of the occupied East Pacific. 6. Most importantly, provide links for them to find out more, and encourage them to do so. I think most sensible people would see that the facts and right are on our side. http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/The_East...?showtopic=5831 <- Rahl's tremendously insulting tone is sure to clue them in on the attitude of The Empire. http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/The_East...?showtopic=6040 <- Explanations of the situation. http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/The_East...?showtopic=6034 <- ongoing discussion of the situation, including that argument I had with one of the Lady persons. |
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| flemingovia | Dec 18 2008, 11:54:25 AM Post #25 |
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Kilroy was here
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I would also add, do not talk about going back to teh confederacy. talk about forging a new community, chosen by TEP rather than imposed upon them, and one in which everyone can play a part, without "cleansing", nobility or swearing loyalty to a foreign invader. |
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| Infinite Loop | Dec 18 2008, 02:14:43 PM Post #26 |
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Take Off, Eh?
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True because the Indaba is not the confed, but the confed is part of the Indaba's history. Didnt Biyah threaten me a lot at some point? |
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| A Slanted Black Stripe | Dec 18 2008, 02:33:16 PM Post #27 |
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Doesn't Biyah/Rahl threaten everyone, all of the time? With the possible exception of Lady Phedre? I have tried to ignore Biyah. If he makes up something and someone else picks it up, I'll try to have a conversation with the someone else. Stripe |
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| packilvania | Dec 18 2008, 04:39:19 PM Post #28 |
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I am moving back to TEP. I hope you will all see me as delegate of the confederated EP lands. Time to go to war! |
![]() "The Cybernets shall overrun every thing you hold dear. Assimilate." Loop: Well that rules out my Atomic Metroid Spy Toilet I had planned. DFD: WAAAAH, you butt hurt me. Cry cry cry. Todd My foreign officer ended up pushing her wiener (gl@sses) further up the bridge of her nose. | |
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| packilvania | Dec 18 2008, 04:47:04 PM Post #29 |
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FARK!!!!! I sent my unendorse message to Lady Phedre... Carp.... Greetings fellow nation. I appreciate you decision to become active in The East Pacific. I ask only that you unendorse Lady Phedre. I know not who would make a great delagate, and make no aspirations to the position for myself, however I know that Lady Phedre has ejected a mass amount of new nations. I primarily role play with my nation, and find the killing of the new blood to be detrimental to the status of The East Pacific. Thank you and Long live The East Pacific! |
![]() "The Cybernets shall overrun every thing you hold dear. Assimilate." Loop: Well that rules out my Atomic Metroid Spy Toilet I had planned. DFD: WAAAAH, you butt hurt me. Cry cry cry. Todd My foreign officer ended up pushing her wiener (gl@sses) further up the bridge of her nose. | |
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| drakkengard | Dec 18 2008, 05:40:16 PM Post #30 |
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Ouch... Oh well, she might see this as a bold challenge.
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