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From the delegate to the conclave
Topic Started: Mar 20 2009, 08:15:14 PM (508 Views)
Todd McCloud
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Hey there. Just wanted to say, two laws are in process right now and require your final say on the matter. According to the Concordat, your duty is to ensure the law does not violate the Concordat and that it is just in regards to the people and policies of TEP. Here are the two laws:

Standard Time Act

The Treason Act

On the latter law, I wanted to forward you a question I had about it, which was answered by Kelssek. Hopefully this will help a few things move faster.

Todd McCloud
 
I take it all treason cases will be reviewed and determined by the conclave [sic]?

Also, in section 4, 1, it states "Every one commits treason who.." I'd change "Every one" to "Any person who commits treason:"


Kelssek
 
Yes, cases will be tried by the Conclave.

The suggested change doesn't really work grammatically, since what follows are descriptions of what treason is.

We could change it to "every one who: blah blah blah commits treason" but that might make it a little difficult to read since the sentence is completed so far down.

As it is now, the meaning of "every person commits treason if they do the following:" works. The phrasing is a little formal and stuffy, I admit, it's meant to mimic the Criminal Code IRL. I'll think of how to rephrase it, though.


In addition to the Magisterium, both laws were passed on by me, meaning I didn't veto them. So, with our three judges (Kandarin, Lazlow, and Loop), if you could review it, make sure it's good, and pass it into law, that'd be excellent.
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Lazlowia
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I see no problems with the Standard Time Act, but I have some questions and problems about the other.

First, part 7 can be easily exploited. I mean, how can you found out, that someone knew about a treason? And it can be easily used to ban everyone.

Second, according to the constitution, no one can be tried for the same offence. But what if someone commits treason for the second time? You let him get away with it?
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Kelssek
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Those would count as two seperate offences, Lazlow. It only prevents you being tried more than once for the same, particular, act.

Some input, if I may, given that I was primarily responsible for drafting that law. The interpretation of the law is precisely the reason the Conclave (or a judiciary in the real world) exists. It will be up to the Conclave to determine the standard of complicity required before someone can be convicted of that act. What level of knowledge, what actions someone can reasonably be expected to do - that's all up to the Conclave to decide based on the circumstances of the case that comes before them, and they will also in this way prevent the law from being abused.

It goes both ways, too. The Conclave can nullify any law or part of a law that is against the Concordat. But the Conclave cannot directly change the law; only the Magisterium has that power, and as the legislature the Magisterium can also make or change laws that may nullify certain rulings of the Conclave (although the Concordat always remains supreme, of course). That's all part of how a government works.
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Todd McCloud
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The Endorsement Cap Act is ready for final debates / writing into law.
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Todd McCloud
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I see Lazlow has offered his words, and I'm grateful of that. Any thoughts on the matter of the three potential laws, Kand and Loop?
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Infinite Loop
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I will side with Todd on this, as I believe the final say for signing into law should be with the delegate,
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