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Based on what I've read, I don't think at least an embassy suspension would be out of the question. I'm a bit torn, though - I am pretty sure we have closed embassies in the past, but I'm generally against that. While the events at hand have occurred, and I certainly don't agree with them (Routgiers is forever grouped in that 'scum' category I've listed over the years), still I do believe in the importance of free speech and keeping things open. Heck, worse comes to worse we could issue a statement regarding the situation even.

I'm pretty sure here we're in agreement that we severely disprove of their actions, but again, in the past I was all about keeping things open. I realize this is probably an unpopular opinion, but... it's what I feel is right. Again, I wouldn't even rule out an embassy suspension. I just don't really like shutting embassies down.

We don't have to go with how I feel, though - the region, in particular, the Magisterium (perhaps the Conclave?) and the FA Minister should choose the direction we take with this. After all, going with what the region as a whole believes is right is the path we should take. FA is sort of a gray area as far as our government is, I think.
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I do not agree with forum destruction and I feel it is a very bad action.

While at the same time I do believe every region has the right to their own opinions yet going too far is just that: going too far. I feel they don't promote it but at the same time they possibly encouraged it. I really cannot say or know.

As Secretary of the Embassy Authority, I do not suggest we break off relations, maybe suspend a few updates. I view TEP to be more on the neutral side but not on the sidelines. That would be my course of action as secretary, but seeing the public outcry, I would submit to what the region as a whole would like to do.

Now if the Magisterium decides to take action I will abstain being I am in charge of foreign relations.
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why stay neutral on forum destruction? From what I understand, suspension of updates is different from suspension of embassy. And I would favor a suspension of embassy more, until they gain gain new leadership or a new set of officers.

But personally, I've talked to a member in the Lazarene forums and he seem to be arrogant and pose illogical arguments as to why they are hostile towards the FRA. I think this is defender-invader conflict gone too far on their side. And I don't see any reason why we should maintain relations with a region of the kind.
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Forum destruction is forum destruction - it shouldn't matter which side of the fence it rests on. I know you aren't arguing this, but it's too factual to really let any favoritism to take root.

That said, I don't really see a suspension of updates that different than a suspension of an embassy. If either choice is decided, it would probably result in the locking of their embassy on here and us not posting on the one we have over there until we feel like it can be opened again. But, this is entirely contingent on what we all here decide.
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why stay neutral on forum destruction?

I was only speaking in terms of TEP tends to be on the neutral side.

I in no way or form agree with forum destruction
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Just to add a note from the Admin side of things - Rougiers was banned here as soon as I heard. However, I found no sign that he was ever on these forums to begin with.
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Awesome job being preemptive, Kandarin. It's great to hear you are on top of it, it's a relief knowing we have good Admins watching out for us!!
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If we're banning forum destroyers, which I personally think is a very good idea, there's another one we could remove.
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To me it is a no-brainer to ban all confirmed forum destroyers, but to keep things "to code" I wonder if it might be a good idea to run the idea through the Magisterium and make it into law?

Really though, this is an obvious one, it would just be for the sake of following protocol, so maybe we don't need to bother with it.

Regardless, thanks again Kand for doing that, and Todd, if there is someone else we should ban for forum destruction then I am all for it!!
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I like how you think, Chancellor - I personally believe a Magisterium law regarding banning forum hackers or destroyers immediately would definitely be a very good thing, and would give the Magisterium something new to do.

As for the one dude, I'll address that to Kandarin separately. The person hasn't been active in a while, but better safe than sorry. While there are ways around forum bans, it at least shows we're taking a hard stance against it.
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I like how you think, Chancellor - I personally believe a Magisterium law regarding banning forum hackers or destroyers immediately would definitely be a very good thing, and would give the Magisterium something new to do.

As for the one dude, I'll address that to Kandarin separately. The person hasn't been active in a while, but better safe than sorry. While there are ways around forum bans, it at least shows we're taking a hard stance against it.

Sadly, we don't know which ones are indeed forum hackers unless their background checks show that they have struck before.

So that legislation would not help.
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I totally understand, EM, I didn't mean to imply anything of the sort, either. :)

and Alejandro, I'm sure it is a good safety measure to do so. We have nothing to lose anyways so better safe than sorry don't you think? :)

Although from what I know, Rougiers was not necessarily a hacker, he was given certain permission masking to be able to do what he did. a bit of a bad decision making on the part of the FRA as well. but oh wellss.

An embassy suspension sounds good enough, but perhaps it would be better if there are perhaps a certain time or condition?
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I like how you think, Chancellor - I personally believe a Magisterium law regarding banning forum hackers or destroyers immediately would definitely be a very good thing, and would give the Magisterium something new to do.

Sadly, we don't know which ones are indeed forum hackers unless their background checks show that they have struck before.

So that legislation would not help.


In the current instance, however, it did help. Kandarin banned Rougiers, preventing him from coming on these forums, creating a safer TEP.

Many, many people (myself included) have accounts on multiple forums. I do not mind using myself as an example here, so say I were to gain Admin powers in another forum and destroy it. Admins like Kandarin would hear about it before long, and ban me from this forum as a preventative measure. Yes, background checks of newly joined nations to see if they have had a hand in forum destruction in the past would be a good thing, but where this legislation would really shine is in expediting the process of banning people who are already forum members, and can be directly traced to the recent destruction of another forum.

That's my take on it, anyways.
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An embassy suspension sounds good enough, but perhaps it would be better if there are perhaps a certain time or condition?

Suspend the thing for a year.

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lol. a year in RL is like 10 NS years! :P
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lol. a year in RL is like 10 NS years! :P

Oh God, I hope not. Most of us would be NS old men and women!
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well we switch leaders and terms expire in 3-6 months for most of NS, so do estimate a 1:10 ratio. :P
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lol. a year in RL is like 10 NS years! :P

Oh God, I hope not. Most of us would be NS old men and women!

I'm not sure how I feel about being 60 in NS :P Oh gosh look at that...for now... wrinkle free!
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lol. a year in RL is like 10 NS years! :P

Oh God, I hope not. Most of us would be NS old men and women!

*Ahem!*
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Hahahaha, well played, AMOM, well played.

Can we count times of absence? If so then I am certainly approaching decrepitude. If not I think I'm only around 35 or so...
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lol. a year in RL is like 10 NS years! :P

Oh God, I hope not. Most of us would be NS old men and women!

I'm not sure how I feel about being 60 in NS :P Oh gosh look at that...for now... wrinkle free!

I believe I'm 20ish.

Although I'm apparently very uncool, because all my friends are OLD.
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lol. a year in RL is like 10 NS years! :P

Oh God, I hope not. Most of us would be NS old men and women!

I'm not sure how I feel about being 60 in NS :P Oh gosh look at that...for now... wrinkle free!

I believe I'm 20ish.

Although I'm apparently very uncool, because all my friends are OLD.

You need to hang out with more people you're own age, whippersnpper!

Then again, I think I'd be around 50 or so... so let's see here... I'd probably be in a mid-life crisis trying to reclaim my lost youth.

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oh if I count the attempted retirement absence then I will probably be at a not so old age of 40 something. :P whoo I'm young and cool! LOL
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This thread really has a tendency to wander off, doesn't it?

*Corrals thread back on the correct path*

So what were we talking about last? I believe it was suspending an embassy with Unknown due to their harboring a forum destroyer.
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Correct you are, that and passing a law to immediately ban known forum destroyers. Personally I am for both, but I do not agree with Alejandro as to the length of the suspension. Perhaps a month-long suspension, followed by negotiations as to what to do if a similar situation should arise again? (Similar situation being if Rougiers or another member of Unknown destroys a forum or causes some other atrocity, and Unknown harbours them.)

The immediate banning of forum destroyers is another prominent, although somewhat separate, issue. Something should be done about both, I think.

Back to the first issue with Unknown, though, I wonder if we might want to form an all encompassing act for any further criminal harbouring situations. What sort of standard do we want to set for regions who knowingly keep criminals in their ranks? A "Harboured Criminals Act" or "Criminal Nation Relation Act" could be formed. Just an idea though, I leave it for the Magisterium to do with it what they will.
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I also agree to both suspension and banning. A month long seems reasonable enough.
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A month? Seeing as they already posted their july update they might not even notice. :td:

Not much of a statement, IMO.
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A month? Seeing as they already posted their july update they might not even notice. :td:

Not much of a statement, IMO.

We could always go two months if the situation merits the need, I believe
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I don't think it is exactly a considerable threat, they seem to be happy with DFD staying as our delegate (and aside from that I don't think they could rally enough nations to out-endorse her, anyways) but technically it would appear as if we have been invaded by The Skeleton Army.

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Oh no? quick, defend TEP?

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This appears to be a fun diversion for a bit, but since it is technically an invasion, does it warrant the Defcon Level being lowered? Perhaps not, but I don't think it has been changed in a while, so it might be fun. :)
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I don't think it is exactly a considerable threat, they seem to be happy with DFD staying as our delegate (and aside from that I don't think they could rally enough nations to out-endorse her, anyways) but technically it would appear as if we have been invaded by The Skeleton Army.

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Oh no? quick, defend TEP?

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This appears to be a fun diversion for a bit, but since it is technically an invasion, does it warrant the Defcon Level being lowered? Perhaps not, but I don't think it has been changed in a while, so it might be fun. :)


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