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| Topic Started: Dec 7 2009, 09:49:40 PM (2,025 Views) | |
| Allegheny | Dec 7 2009, 09:49:40 PM Post #1 |
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Section 4) The Arbiters shall elect from amongst themselves for a term of six months a Viceroy, who shall oversee the proceedings of the Conclave and administrate all elections in the East Pacific and represent the Conclave to the Magisterium and the Delegate. Okay after reading a few posts here it seems as if the conclave never really elected a Viceroy. I know from some older posts that i have seen that Kandarin was the default viceroy since no one objected. Thats fine, but I think that now that we actually have more people in the conclave that we should actually do so. I am going to state right now that I do not wish to be viceroy at this time. use this thread to announce your interests and then we can hold a vote. |
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| Kurogasa | Dec 7 2009, 10:14:27 PM Post #2 |
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I think the position should be filled with one of the older arbiters... so, to me it is between Kandarin and DFD. I don't know if anyone disagree with that. |
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| Inquirius | Dec 7 2009, 10:58:21 PM Post #3 |
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This was an irritating problem during the last Delegate elections. The Viceroy is to oversee the elections for Delegate, as far as I know. However, due to the lax behavior of the Conclave up until this point, no Viceroy existed during the last Delegate elections, and Todd ended up running the whole thing. While it was obvious he was going to win anyway, it did not help the image of the Conclave or TEP that the incumbent Delegate was supervising the election process. This is why I agree with Allegheny's idea. We must officially and unambiguously decide on a Viceroy. Now, I am okay with Kandarin keeping the position. He is relatively active and has both my respect and confidence. However, he needs to ask himself if he is actually willing to remain vigilant and fulfill his duties during the Delegate elections as well as during any debates that may be brought to the Conclave. If he is still willing to, then he has my support. Otherwise, I am absolutely willing to fulfill the duties of Viceroy, and I think I have been around long enough and active long enough to do the job. EDIT: Whenever the magisterial assembly is debating a topic or passes legislation, there needs to be discussion going on in the Conclave concurrently. For example, when DN announced his intent to run for Provost, the Conclave should have opened a thread and had a short discussion about whether there were any objections to this. Even if it is a formality in most cases, we still need to do our job. This is what the Viceroy should be doing. If I am made Viceroy, I will do this. Plus, it looks like both Kurogasa and Allegheny are eager to keep this place active, so it should be no trouble to get some discussion going. |
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| Allegheny | Dec 8 2009, 01:03:04 AM Post #4 |
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To be fair we should have viceroy elections after next Wednesday, which is the day Kandarin said he would be finished with his finals. |
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| Inquirius | Dec 8 2009, 01:07:04 AM Post #5 |
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My finals extend to Monday, Dec 21. We may have to wait until then. Plus, Kandarin's term doesn't technically end until February, so it depends on what he wants to do. |
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| Kurogasa | Dec 8 2009, 01:59:48 AM Post #6 |
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Whenever you guys are ready. |
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I don't want to conquer the world, I want the people to put me as their leader for themselves (or I will have to conquer it, anyways it will be mine soon). "What is a rebel? A man who says no" -Albert Camus- "The greatest joy a man can know is to conquer his enemies and drive them before him. To ride their horses and take away their possessions. To see the faces of those who were dear to them bedewed with tears, and to clasp their wives and daughters in his arms." -Genghis Khan- | |
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| Kurogasa | Dec 21 2009, 01:07:03 AM Post #7 |
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We are hours away from the 21st and I haven't read a post regarding this topic neither from Kandarin nor Der Fuhrer Dytzel... so...now what?... |
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I don't want to conquer the world, I want the people to put me as their leader for themselves (or I will have to conquer it, anyways it will be mine soon). "What is a rebel? A man who says no" -Albert Camus- "The greatest joy a man can know is to conquer his enemies and drive them before him. To ride their horses and take away their possessions. To see the faces of those who were dear to them bedewed with tears, and to clasp their wives and daughters in his arms." -Genghis Khan- | |
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| Allegheny | Dec 21 2009, 01:14:02 AM Post #8 |
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Well i know that i am ready to do this. I guess maybe people should announce their intentions to run and after Christmas we vote on it. |
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| Kurogasa | Dec 21 2009, 01:29:30 AM Post #9 |
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So am I, that's why I'm getting restless... I thought Kandarin would have something to say about this... |
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| Bai Lung | Dec 21 2009, 07:43:42 AM Post #10 |
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Try PM him. |
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| Kurogasa | Dec 22 2009, 11:08:14 PM Post #11 |
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I did... |
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I don't want to conquer the world, I want the people to put me as their leader for themselves (or I will have to conquer it, anyways it will be mine soon). "What is a rebel? A man who says no" -Albert Camus- "The greatest joy a man can know is to conquer his enemies and drive them before him. To ride their horses and take away their possessions. To see the faces of those who were dear to them bedewed with tears, and to clasp their wives and daughters in his arms." -Genghis Khan- | |
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| Todd McCloud | Dec 23 2009, 12:11:45 AM Post #12 |
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I guess I could set it up, seeing as I've done every election under the Concordat, lol. Plus I'd be a non-biased party. |
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| Inquirius | Dec 23 2009, 02:05:45 PM Post #13 |
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That makes sense. Let's do it. I'm not sure how to get Kandarin's attention, though. Honestly, all I'm trying to do is to get Kandarin to look this way and see what's happened in the Conclave. We don't even need an election if he still wants to do this. |
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| Kandarin | Dec 24 2009, 02:34:44 AM Post #14 |
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I'm here. I've been holding off on addressing this because I was waiting for some grades to get back to me. Suffice it to say that if they had been sufficiently bad I would have to seriously reconsider my involvement, but things are all right. I am sorry about the delays. As for DFD, she sincerely believes that the active members of this region collectively loathe her and consider her beneath contempt, and as such I doubt she has much interest in the Conclave anymore. From what I have seen I am not sure if I can actually disagree with her belief. If this is not the case and you do not actually loathe her, some sort of statement to the contrary might be in order, but that is your business and not mine. I would be willing to continue on as Viceroy and handle the upcoming Magisterium and Delegate elections. My uninvolvement in the past has largely been due to academic issues that have been largely resolved. |
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| Dyr Nasad | Dec 24 2009, 10:16:17 AM Post #15 |
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I certainly hope I'm not included in that group . I really don't loathe anyone, and even if I did, DFD wouldn't be one of them.
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| Allegheny | Dec 24 2009, 10:42:54 AM Post #16 |
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I do not loathe anyone here. I understand that RL is more important, thats why I haven't worried too much about getting it done as quickly as possible. If more waiting is needed till everyone can devote a little time then we can wait. I just want to wait till everyone can participate so that it is fair. Pestering is useless. It will get done eventually. Thats why I suggested we wait till after the Christmas. I hope that nobody here including DFD thinks I am pissed off because stuff is not going on. |
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| Inquirius | Dec 24 2009, 11:13:29 AM Post #17 |
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For goodness's sake, DFD, really? Loathing? You've been on the right side for a very long time, as far as I know. Come back to the Conclave and say stuff. We want you here, ok? Judging from the activity level in TEP right now, the holiday season is pulling everyone into RL, me included. We are active and aware, more so than the magisterium, and we are ready to react if we are needed. That's all I wanted. I withdraw my name from consideration for the viceroy position, now that we know Kandarin will be around. Let's open voting after Christmas. |
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| Todd McCloud | Dec 24 2009, 04:18:30 PM Post #18 |
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No one here loathes anyone here, I believe. I mean, people might be a little negative sometimes, and maybe they'll be a little rough around the edges too, but no one hates anyone here. I suppose it's important to realize we're all human here, and humans are prone to messing things up sometimes or coming across in a completely different fashion. That said, I'll write up something for the Viceroy elections either tonight or tomorrow night, and we'll start the process sometime after Christmas. |
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| Kurogasa | Dec 24 2009, 09:59:04 PM Post #19 |
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so...there's only one candidate... Good to know that Kandarin is back...now we seriously need something to do around here, to keep the Conclave active... and to DFD...for what I've seen...no one in the Conclave "loathes" you... I don't know why you would think that... actually I seriously doubt that anoyone in TEP hates anyone...I guess people disagree sometimes but this would be a boring place if everyone think alike...I can't say that I know you, but I have absolutely no reason to hate you...or even dislike you. Come back to the Conclave, we need every experienced people we can get...and you seem to care about TEP. |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Dec 25 2009, 03:25:43 AM Post #20 |
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I wish I could explain to you all what I have seen, felt, and experienced. I believe only then would others be able to understand why I feel the way I do. Keep in mind, it is very easy to judge another's perception, but understanding and seeing the world through their eyes is far more difficult. With that said, it is easy to say I should not feel rejected by this region, but perhaps if you have gone through what I did, you may feel differently. Admittedly, I dread logging onto TEP. The only thing that has kept me in NS for as long as I have been in NS is RP'ing. Your RP community is harsh, very unwelcoming. Being that RP is TEP's claim to fame, I am disappointed that it is one of the reasons I feel most unwelcome here. I enjoy RP'ing. Yes, I can be tremendously passionate about it to the point of annoyance, but I feel I was given little chance here to make a difference. I really feel like your community threw me right out on my ass without an honest chance. I endured much in NS and TEP has regretfully left me with very unpleasent feelings. I do not feel like I belong here. I feel my views are seldom recognized and that many people have trampled on the work I have attempted to do here. I experienced moments of complete and blantant rejection, my concerns have been blantantly ignored, others have bitched and moaned about every attempt I tried to make to fix problems that I perceived needed help. When all is said and done, it came down to the fact that TEP needs to want to change and I feel it no longer wants that. I can do little for people who do not want me here and less for people who do not wish to hear what I have to say. I do thank those who have expressed more positive views towards me. Your kind words mean much and cannot thank you enough for the reassurances. Regretfully, this is a scenario where the bad outweighs the good. I feel that some of the most prominent and active figures make it difficult for me to survive in this region. I do not like either/or scenarios, but the amount of RL dread, anxiety, and disappointment I experience just logging onto the forums is not worth it and therefore, I choose to remove myself. The only thing I have been capable of responding to was my thread, but even then it is incredibly difficult to be on this forum. I have not been reading any other thread and I no longer know what is happening in this region. My major concerns I wish you would consider changing so that others do not experience what I do is to provide more opportunities for people to be "important" here. I personally struggled with that. I felt that anything I did mattered very little. I felt insignificant and worthless to this region and it hindered my creative abilities. For instance, I was so excited about starting the RP school and that was a cruel move on the RP community's behalf to reject my attempts and jump on Warre's academy. Warre, that was a dick move to completely ignore my concerns, even after I messaged you directly, PM'ed you, and discussed my concerns in a chat with you and others. A community should work together, not against each other. I felt as if that was a moment the community stabbed me in the gut. Another concern is your most vocal voices. When people see negativity, that becomes the region's voice. Regardless of what the region really believes, when you have people who speak so negatively, it brings the region down. I have watched as many of you sat by and justified this response time and time again. As a region, YOU need to change that. You can stand against that negativity, but you must want to. On a personal note, Lazlow, quit being so pessimistic and angry. You are bringing others down and it hurts others. You really hurt me with your crude remarks about my posts. I feel like you basically took out my heart, slammed it into the ground, and grinded it into the dirt with the heel of your boot on that one. RP'ing is my passion, and although you do not like my style of RP, it does not mean that you should criticize my RP'ing over it and me specifically when others too post just as long or complexly as myself. Furthermore, if you have a problem, you should have addressed me specifically to discuss it. I know this region has been through very much and it has changed much in many ways. However, many of the people within are not changnig with the region. Part of change is being able to change one's self. I really felt this region was most proactive towards working together when The Empire was in place. I also think it is highly pathetic that I felt like a more valued member to this region as Lady Edea than I ever did after the whole Empire fiasco. I just ask you as a region, do you think something might be wrong with that? Again on a personal note relating to this, Todd, remember, as a delegate you are in the most crucial position of all. You personally (when maintaining the role of delegate) need to be more open to criticism and also more responsive to others concerns, and not just "hearing" what someone else has to say. You "hear" what people say but you seldom listen. You often miss what they are saying altogether even though you can repeat what it was that they had said. You say you understand but when pushes comes to shove you completely missed the point. For instance, many of our RP horror stories. You said you understood, said you would fix it, and time and time again continued to do it. For the sake of future RP'ers, please stop your unyielding plotlines. RP is about flexibility and everyone's input....like I said too many times, if you are accomplishing what you want to accomplish in RP, you are doing something wrong. You may not see it yet, but I hope one day you finally get what I have been trying to show you. Also, I know there were several times that I asked you as an administrator to correct something or do something but you were not responsive to those requests, such as fixing the quick reply on several forums. I do thank you for the times you have helped, they were very helpful. Please keep in mind that there are times when you get so caught up in everything else that you forget others and their concerns. I also personally think you are partaking on too much responsibility in this region. It is not your job to do it all and I realize you just want to help, but sometimes, you need to let others take the reigns and even if they do not, you need to step back when it pertains to minor issues. Well I know I said a lot here and it is a great deal of information to understand. Basically, I no longer feel welcome here because I have experienced several really hard blows from the community that pushed me away. I tried to make repairs, those attempts miserably failed, and I no longer felt capable of contributing anything to this region. I felt the community did not want me here and that it would be much better off without me. Correction, could care less if I were here or not. I realize that people may not particularly not want me here, but in the same respect they do not necessarily want me here either. They are apathetic, and apathy is regional community death. I feel there is much that can be done to try to work these issues out but at the same time I hesitate to go more into detail. It has been my experience from those I have confronted with issues that they do not really listen or want to change things. It has made me weary of trying to work out these issues anymore. I just really hope that TEP's RP community becomes more cohesive and begins to really work together. Even the rejection of one member leaves a scar on this community's reputation. So you can tell yourself, well DFD is a bitch anyways and let me fade away, but it is that attitude that becomes lasting and damaging....even if immediately it is not seen. So that is mostly what I feel I needed to say. I apologize for specficially naming people, as it has been something I have always tried to avoid doing. I believe one person's problem becomes a community's problem and try not to incriminate specific people, but I also needed to show how the accumulation of events has pushed me over the edge so that perhaps you all could see where I was coming from. It was not a single event, but an accumulation of many hurtful events. |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Dec 25 2009, 03:40:41 AM Post #21 |
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On a side note, I do not feel loathed, but more that the community can care less about my existence here. Furthermore, it is not Kandarin's fault for interpreting my disappointment as such. After a few drinks last night, I logged on to post and it hit me that I was the most happiest when working in TWP. I felt that I did the most for that region and that even while I disagreed with much that went on there, I was still a valued member of the region. It hurt me and I kind of unleashed on poor Kandarin. It was very easy to interpret my feelings as believing the region loathed me and not his fault for coming to his conclusion. It was definitely my fault for not defining my feelings and moreso responding out of being upset. With that said, I doubt I will be running for Viceroy. I am not qualified for the position and ill suited for the responsibilities.*saunters back to my thread* |
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| Allegheny | Dec 25 2009, 08:43:53 AM Post #22 |
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Well that certainly a load off the chest. Thank you for the explanation. I apologize if in my short time here I have inadvertently done something to you that hurt your feelings. I hope that you won't feel that it is not worth looking at other threads anymore as I was kind of excited to work with all of you guys in helping to make TEP a better place. |
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| Inquirius | Dec 25 2009, 09:27:08 PM Post #23 |
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What a reaction. I'm glad to know that I have not experienced that kind of unbelievable emotional attachment to a region. We do the best we can while we can. I hold no illusions about what's actually going on here in TEP, and I simply hope to help run things while I can. I advise everyone not to become so emotionally invested in the intricacies of this region that you experience the onset of clinical psychosis in real life. Thank you, DFD. I hope the behavior of us (relative) newcomers can help renew your faith in this fragile region. It's a shame that I haven't gotten to know you better. You intrigue me. |
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| Kurogasa | Dec 26 2009, 12:32:34 AM Post #24 |
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DFD, I just hope that you stay around until you feel confortable again... |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Dec 26 2009, 02:01:35 AM Post #25 |
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And my point was proven. Active negative voices speak for the region. I need not say more. I will just add this as another reason why my "Faith in TEP Meter" is so low. For everyone else who understands, my response is what happens when you truly care about happens. You can judge me all you like, but my choices about what I become passionate about are my own, and if that is a "pathetic" reaction for some of you, I apologize. I guess I should have a much better life like yourselves to not get emotionally involved with things I care about, but I guess I am weak in that perspective. |
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| Kandarin | Dec 26 2009, 02:10:45 AM Post #26 |
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I'm not sure what to make of this post. If caring a lot about a region and its residents is psychosis, then you can go ahead and call me crazy. |
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| Kurogasa | Dec 26 2009, 04:35:49 AM Post #27 |
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Same here...what's wrong about caring?...what's the point of taking responsibilities in a place that we don't care about?... the point of being an Arbiter in here, or a Viceroy or whatever is to change TEP for better...and we can't do this if we don't care...so...add me to that list as well... |
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| Inquirius | Dec 26 2009, 10:55:21 AM Post #28 |
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Ouch. Sorry. I guess I'm psychotic as well. Consider me whipped into shape by your collective backlash. I didn't say it was wrong to care about this region, dear Arbiters. I would not have stuck around this long if I wasn't quite obsessed with it myself. I just don't want anyone else to become as excruciatingly distraught as DFD seems to have become. Because of that, I suggested that we avoid letting the happenings on this forum impact our RL welfare. I don't really see the significance of what goes on in the RP section of this forum, so I haven't experienced what DFD probably has. What I have provided here is a very vague and almost inconsequential piece of advice, attempting to assuage DFD's anger. I suppose I should stop doing that. Please don't latch onto my mistaken use of the word "psychosis" and in the process, miss the point of my post. Look at what has happened here. I commented on DFD's (very negative) heartfelt post, and the collective has quickly taken a swing at me for being negative. However, I'll refrain from going all dissertation-like on the rest of you. You are too quick to turn on your own. EDIT: DFD, I still hope you will stay. I'm not a bad guy. Give me another chance! |
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| Todd McCloud | Dec 26 2009, 04:54:50 PM Post #29 |
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Alright, folks. Before this thread turns into a meltdown, might I suggest a return to normalcy. The very fact that people are kind of debating over these facts in this thread is due to their obvious care of the people / nations in this region. At least that's how I see it. As a delegate, I hear a lot of things from many members of the region. However, I personally don't really believe it's my duty to share that with everyone, as most of their talks seem to be private and I want to honor their privacy. But when a player comes forward to say such things publicly, there must be something wrong, at least as how that player sees it. Therefore, it should be attempted to try and work things through, I believe, instead of 'firing our artillery at the internet drama'. Drama in a region is usually not a good thing, but in a region full of people with different backgrounds, ideals, beliefs, cultures, and opinions, it's more or less inevitable that it will occur from time to time. Oddly enough, drama could actually be good in a region if there are people who need to get stuff out of their heads and onto the computer screen to kind of de-pressurize. Furthermore, drama can be seen as a means of displaying care. If either side of this current scuffle didn't care, they wouldn't respond. After all, the worst human emotion is apathy, because it is devoid of care; at least in hatred the hatee is cared enough to be hated. Or something like that. So it was important enough for one person to come here and voice concerns, and important enough for another to respond in the way they did. At least, we should recognize that fact. I personally believe it's a big case of misunderstanding. What's been said in this thread has been said and cannot be taken back. There seems to be an issue with a few members regarding other members here. A quick and decisive solution is for both parties to recognize that, work toward finding ways to fix it, and moving on. We're not here to split atoms and tit for tat over arguments, we're here as a collection of nations that just happen to play nationstates. While it is both understandable and perhaps even admirable some players view this region as an extended family of sorts, families do bicker, but families also forgive, work together, and move on. I suggest we move toward such means. There is no reason to hold grudges here or refuse to speak with a person because one *believes* they don't like them. That only creates problems and leads to frustration coupled with zero solutions. I'm not trying to be a mediator here; I'll keep the thread open, of course, so it serves its initial intentions and the remaining parties can figure things out. I would suggest it be taken to private messaging, but that's only a suggestion, I cannot and will not force anything on here because I do not believe in doing things that way. But again, I will also suggest that the parties here settle such differences and work toward a common thread. Now, in regards to the elections, I'll work on a topic tonight, underline a basis for elections, and we'll go from there. I'll run them like I run/ran the Magisterium elections, I think, but I'm debating over the time constraints - I might make the time frame shorter, if that's okay with everyone. |
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| Dyr Nasad | Dec 26 2009, 08:39:58 PM Post #30 |
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@Todd - may I suggest letting the Arbiters run it? Similarly to how the Magisterium has done Provost elections? Just a thought. |
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. I really don't loathe anyone, and even if I did, DFD wouldn't be one of them.


I am not qualified for the position and ill suited for the responsibilities.
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