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| Topic Started: Mar 14 2010, 10:49:49 PM (838 Views) | |
| Kandarin | Mar 14 2010, 10:49:49 PM Post #1 |
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I've noticed that someone made Todd a Global Mod. Isn't the Admin group supposed to be consulted before new Global Mods and Admins are promoted? |
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| Kandarin | Mar 16 2010, 12:24:55 AM Post #2 |
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To expand on the above: Every prior Global Mod and Admin has been appointed after a consultation with the existing Global Mods and Admins, with an explanation for why a new mod or admin is needed and why the candidate would be a good choice. This has always been done and it has always been a good thing; I do not believe that any member of the region is sufficiently special as to bypass it. I would like us to discuss this intended promotion (I'm guessing Pax's?) before we go through with it. And so we are not voting on a fait accompli I have reversed it for the time being. I am not opposed to this if there is a good reason, but promoting new mods and admins is perhaps the most important function for which the existing group must be consulted and that should not be bypassed now. |
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| Kelssek | Mar 16 2010, 04:27:51 PM Post #3 |
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It certainly wasn't me who did it, but I agree that such decisions are not to be taken unilaterally. I suppose it's also a larger question of what privileges should or shouldn't we grant to ex-Delegates in regards to the forum? The Delegate user mask is, from my quick look at the Admin CP, pretty much an all-access pass. I don't see a problem with this, but perhaps you guys more involved in gameplay might. |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Mar 16 2010, 07:48:48 PM Post #4 |
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This issue actually raises an interesting debate that I would like to resolve during my delegacy term, and that issue is whether or not the delegate needs access to the forum administration panel. During my campaign to run, several TEP members addressed the issue with me via MSN and as such, I have been giving it serious consideration. I initially thought it was worth merit and upon being appointed delegate and given access to the admin panel, I still believe it holds such merit. The only real reason I can foresee a delegate, by the delegates duties outlined by the Concordat, needing access to the admin power is to ban abusive members from the forum and to grant members Citizenship. However, neither of these tasks necessary requires a delegate to perform. With an active administration staff such as the one which we have, it is unnecessary to give the delegate access to the administration forum in order to ban abusive members. Furthermore, with an active Viceroy, it is even less of a necessity to grant a delegate this power to grant Citizenship when it is the Viceroy's task to do such. The question we must ask ourselves is why does a delegate want administrative powers so badly? Part of the reason why TEP was able to recover from The Empire takeover was because The Empire could not seize control over these forums. What happens when a delegate goes rogue? Given both control over regional functions and forum functions sets our region up for failure. Especially when allotting the delegate access to the forum administration panel is unnecessary for the functioning of the region. Now, the only time I can see the delegate requiring administrative powers is when the admin staff, Viziers, and Viceroy are inactive. We need an active administration to keep the forums up-to-date and clean, to keep people interested, and to preserve and protect TEP against internal and external threads. At this time however, I believe it unnecessary. Again, I do not consider myself an admin although I have been granted such access. But I did want to contribute my thoughts into this discussion since you need to know that removing forum administration powers from the delegate position is something we as a region might decide to implement during my term. I would like your thoughts before I allow regional members to write up the proposal and put it through the Magisterium. |
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| packilvania | Mar 16 2010, 11:09:41 PM Post #5 |
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I promoted him to replace old mods I had used to help me out. Bai lung and Warre were the only ones I remember promoting, however Warre went inactive. I thought I removed him when I added Todd. I was looking for someone trustworthy and thought he fit the bill. If you think we have to many mods/admins as it is, I apologize. I was just building my staff.
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Mar 16 2010, 11:33:55 PM Post #6 |
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Oh Pack, I get such a kick out of how you word things! I wish we had gotten a chance to RP together. ![]() |
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| Kandarin | Mar 16 2010, 11:33:57 PM Post #7 |
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What sort of modding work did you need done? |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Mar 16 2010, 11:34:56 PM Post #8 |
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Can I just point out, I am faster than you Kandarin. I posted before you. |
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| Kandarin | Mar 17 2010, 12:16:21 AM Post #9 |
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DFD has already covered the Gameplay/security reasons for limiting Delegate admin power, so I'm going to skip my schpiel on that and go at it from another angle. TEP has traditionally run on what I will call a "Great Man Theory" of NS leadership - that is, the notion that regions are identified with their Delegate, whose personality permeates the region. Therefore, the Delegate is the name on the top of the page, the most vocal voice in foreign affairs, the forum admin and so forth, and the region's well-being fluctuates with her/him. The flaws in this notion were less apparent when the game was much larger, but as the game has shrunk it has proven to be the failure of many of our neighbors, as the real source of vibrancy in the game came from communities that rule by a monolithic delegate was no aid to. In the RR, for example, the collapse of the region was inescapable in spite of the (to outsiders) unchanging leadership. I would like to think that I was a good Delegate there, but I was only one of a whole network of players that all needed to be present and contributing for the region to function. Sadly, giving admin power to the Delegate encourages this sort of monolithic thinking, much as many of the events in the recent past have done so. It is all too easy, as with many other functions, to leave admin duties to the Delegate. Some of our Admins are not terribly active and it can be tempting to let an exuberant new Delegate handle that workload. But here, as elsewhere, that encourages dependency on the Delegate, which makes the rest of us complacent and overloads even the best of leaders. Just as the Delegate must work through the Magisterium for laws and the Conclave for judgments, the Delegate must work through the Admin group for desired forum changes. For this reason the Delegate maskshould not grant forum admin powers. That said, I must advise caution. While we want to limit the power of a monolithic Delegate, we do not want to go to the extreme of TWP or TNP wherein a similarly monolithic admin group acts largely to keep the Delegate in check. The Delegate should be able to expect cooperation, advice and support from the Admins. The admins must not appear to be a higher caste that oversees the Delegate, either - the Delegate should have access to this forum, and being Delegate should not disqualify someone from appointment as an admin by the approval of the admin group. The admins must be (and appear to be) another role in the functioning of the region, and should no more be the face of the region than the Delegate should. |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Mar 17 2010, 12:50:59 AM Post #10 |
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Perhaps by keeping Viziers with Admin powers we can achieve such a balance? The Viziers tend to be appointed by the delegate but are not dependent on the delegate. It seems that it would be a group of people who have fresh spunk and activity in the game to help keep administrative functions up, but at the same time not give sole power and authority to the delegate. Just a thought I am pondering.... |
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| packilvania | Mar 17 2010, 01:04:49 AM Post #11 |
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My thought on this is: I am an admin when it comes time to clean the forum, mess with settings, annoy Loop and change his News Services Line, and dish out the justice with my mighty Ban-Hammer. I am just another citizen when it comes to the East Pacific in general. I do not think of myself in charge of something game play related as Kandarin is. Rather, I am solely what my title says... an Administrator of the forum. Whilst my powers will grant me some level of... lets say pull, I try not to use it in the government. Actually, it is my being an Admin that keeps me from joining the East Pacific government in any real fashion. I don't believe that the powers granted by having Uber control over posts mixes well with the authority granted by the government of the East Pacific. As for what I need help modding with, just the usual. Flaming, spum, and the ETC. Actually, I see problems popping up with Kurd, and I will admit I have been slacking as of late. As for the mod issue, does anyone have problems with any of our current global mods? I can release them from duty if need be. |
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