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| Discussion of Recent Administrative Actions | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 2 2010, 07:30:47 PM (3,663 Views) | |
| Todd McCloud | Jun 7 2010, 03:46:52 AM Post #31 |
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I'll try to answer some of these questions:
While we do not have protocol outlined for it in the conclave (something I'd like to work on), I believe anyone can stand trial. Delegates, admins, citizens, etc. As long as there is enough reason for it, it should be brought to a proceeding.
At the very minimum, an admin should maintain a nation within TEP. It is the basis for what we do for citizens: maintain a nation in TEP. If citizens should have a nation here, why not admins?
We currently have a problem in TEP. And you hit the nail on the head as to what it is. People not in the government feel they do not have a voice. People in the government are frustrated because things are moving slow. The admin team seems (after reading this thread) disconnected and spotty. And I mean no offense to anyone here. But one of the problems I've noticed is we seem to have levels. We need to have the citizens believe they do have a voice. We need the government to not be bogged down by inactive members and increase morale, feeling like they are making progress and moving forward. We need to have the admin team become more connected and strong. These solutions are not easy. But we should try to work toward them. Now, I have ideas, but I am only one person here. We should agree to it before it is implimented / presented to the Magisterium:
Just a few of my suggestions
I don't think admins should be divided from government. In the past year, four out of the... well, we'll call it six... admins have been involved in government. Becoming an admin should not be the kiss of death for removal from government. On the contrary, if they are an admin, they should feel obligated to be in the government, if anything to connect with the people better, or fulfill roles they feel up to the task with. |
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| packilvania | Jun 7 2010, 09:43:00 AM Post #32 |
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Let me just say something real quick, that may be a little off topic. I have been contemplating a removal of myself from EP politics, and RP for some time now. While in the past, I was super active in RP, and even maintained the status of one of only two superpowers in the EP, and even farther in the past I was active in EP politics, I am finding myself our of sync. I am ashamed to say that there was a pretty decent RP going on, that looks like I will never finish, simply because of writers block / I grew up. I completely lost interest in EP politics a long time ago. I joined the magesterium this last cycle to try to get more active in the region again. I am seriously contemplating a complete retirement from the EP on all grounds except forum administration (simply because I feel I must keep contact with many of you that I consider friends. I am becoming severely annoyed at the infighting going on. The government is now taking on rolls in the forum administration, and the administration is being accused of pushing its own views down onto what it should have no business in. We are spending so much time arguing over who can pee the farthest, that we seem to have lost sight of the toilet. I sincerely hope that we all come to a suitable agreement and can resume being friends. I do echo the concerns made before though, I have seen other regions collapse because of power struggles inside the regime. I'd hate to see the EP die. |
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| drakkengard | Jun 7 2010, 02:33:29 PM Post #33 |
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Well, i thought much before posting here, and i have to agree with Allegheny and Pax. Both DFD, Todd and Kand are leaders in this community and a rift between them might grow into a fissure that would shatter the region, if lines are drawn and sides are chosen. I think the best for TEP would be give this thread a rest so they can privately settle this issue. After an agreement is reached and all are friendly to each other again we can discuss the position of admin (voting or not, government or not, etc.), but not now, in the heat of moment. Just my opinion anyway... |
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| Kurogasa | Jun 7 2010, 05:57:24 PM Post #34 |
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I agree with what Drakk said. If people start picking sides we will have a really big problem in the region. |
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| Alejandro the Penguin | Jun 7 2010, 06:15:11 PM Post #35 |
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We ought to bring out some impeachment articles to anyone who's inactive over 3 weeks or a month... or so. |
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| Nalt | Jun 7 2010, 07:25:43 PM Post #36 |
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[Possibly off topic but I don't understand what's going on.] Soooooo... The admins of this forum exist as a separate entity, immune from Government control? I've never heard of that before... So theoretically, could the admin could decide we don't need a government and delete all the government forums? Most places I've seen would have forum administration part of the Executive branch, possibly even lead by a cabinet member/leader himself. It seems to me having the site that most the region communicates on beyond the control of our highest leader would impair his ability to lead. But, I'm new here so I'm going on little experience and mostly instinctive feelings on the issue. |
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| Dyr Nasad | Jun 7 2010, 07:44:02 PM Post #37 |
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That is only true of UCRs, where founders tend to own the forums. Feeders are a very different story - I believe that we are the only feeder (before this action) to give admin to the delegate mask |
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| Nalt | Jun 7 2010, 07:47:20 PM Post #38 |
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DO NOT WANT!!!!!!
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Why the need for independent admin staff? And is there any limit on what they can do? |
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| Todd McCloud | Jun 7 2010, 08:52:12 PM Post #39 |
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I don't really see people picking sides... and the moment I sense it, I'll try to stop it, lol. Really, it's good to get problems out in the open every once and a while - it prevents people from exploding and what not. Now, we do have problems here, but I am confident we can work on them and get to a better place. Have faith - we as a region would not be where we are today if we didn't overcome problems much worse than what we are dealing with now. Really, I don't think these issues are too hard to fix. And they will be fixed. It's a commonality, the struggles of how people deal with things in the community. Everyone has their own problems completely separate from the region. Joblessness. Stress. Medical problems. Loneliness. Fear or worry. Isolation. Loss of a loved one. All of these things are felt by people here in varying ways, and if you don't believe me, well, I talk to many people here. It's only natural that these problems will leak into other areas into our lives, because they have to come out somehow. It's my belief that these things make interactions harder, because we're already on a heightened level of stress. A small thing can become a huge thing, ie (I'm not minimizing what's happened here, just an example). Or, consequently, people detect this stress and the reaction to it and decide to remove themselves from the situation or the problem. Really, I don't believe that people get angry to be angry. They just are hurt and they want something to happen to make them feel better, even if it's a really small thing, but it comes out that way. We're a community. Even when we go through these times, we're still a community. We're all friends here, and when we say we're going to leave, you know we really won't. I think. We've invested too much time here, we've become too good of friends. There's an underlying feeling of care here - even with the fighting, it exists, but it is tested now and then. I hope I'm not sounding preachy or annoying, but yeah. So, let's come back a little, and, as a community, work toward getting toward fixing things and better place, perhaps? |
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| Alejandro the Penguin | Jun 7 2010, 09:48:54 PM Post #40 |
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This is not incredibly relevant to the discussion. As such, I will post something that is relevant. I believe that the Delegate should be able to retain admin powers; I believe that the Viceroy's powers should be downgraded to global moderators, notwithstanding if the Viceroy was appointed admin beforehand. My first statement notwithstanding, Delegate admin powers should be suspended if there is abuse. Seeing how the Delegacy is the most important position in the region of TEP, I feel that, in good standing, it could serve as a responsibility that is gained by right, if you catch my drift; you get it automatically, but it can be suspended. A motion to suspend a particular Delegate's admin powers for the remainder of the term could be passed by majority vote in the Magisterium; likewise, a motion to repeal the other motion could be passed. The Delegate, however, should not be allowed to sign or veto these motions. As for the Viceroyalty, I don't think having administrative permissions is exactly beneficial to the workings of the position; it's partially beneficial for the Delegacy because of the duties of such a heavy task sometimes need admin work. Like I said, if the Viceroy was an administrator beforehand then the admin access should not be barred. The Magisterium could suspend global mod rights as well, or reinstate them. The Delegate would still not be allowed to sign or veto the said motions. And that wraps up my two cents on the matter. |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Jun 8 2010, 02:56:17 AM Post #41 |
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Fighting is inevitable and we all hate it. Believe me, none of takes joy and comfort in fighting. But disagreement leads to change eventually. If we always all agreed with each other, we would have much bigger issues....such as sounding like a cult. I am the first to admit that I am absolutely terrible at presenting arguments, especially when angry. I have said such on numerous occassions and this was well known before I ever became delegate. I lack grace and tact and will call the shots as I see them, even if I am wrong. :lol: The issue presented is not a lynching, a hatefest, a matter of sides and if you have read it as such, go back several times and reread the entire issue until you see the underlying argument. ![]() The issue presented is about implementing a system of checks/balance for admins. This is the major issue and the issue we are trying to resolve. The issue was born from Kandarin's horrible insight and poor judgment that crossed the lines of his powers as admin. This is NOT an attack against him as it is a fact. This is a fact. Kandarin overstepped his boundaries as a admin. As such, action needs to be taken. This thread was initially created to discuss what action should be taken to ensure that these actions to do not occur again in the future, not to discuss Kandarin's innocence. He is not innocent and has admitted such in both public and private discussions. I think many of you arguing about sides have missed the fact that Kandarin himself admitted he was wrong. Again, the issue is not about innocence or about whether or not Kandarin's actions were justified. They were wrong, he acted outside of his scope and authority. Now this is not a lynch Kandarin thread either. He made a mistake, but we all do and we are not about to throw him to the wolves for an accident. What he personally needs to do now is undue his actions and go through the proper routes to institute change; such as seeking Magisterium approval before removing admin powers of delegates. Again, the issue is what system of checks and balances can we institute? There are many voiced concerns about the potential for abuse and we have seen a few times where that abuse has cropped up. The problem exists and there are people who really wish to do something about it. Again, if you really feel this is not a problem, you are not obligated to partake in this discussion. This discussion is about finding a system that helps keep the power structure even. Enough people have voiced concerns to me that I will continue to persue this course of action and I am sorry if that is personally unsettling to some of you, but we have lost a few members already over this issue and I am not prepared to keep losing members because their voices are not being heard. I love the little voices in this region just as much I love the loud mouths....wait, am I the only loud mouth? ![]() |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Jun 8 2010, 03:17:32 AM Post #42 |
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Some discussion points to consider. Viceroys were given administrative access because part of the job of the Viceroy is to give citizenship to new members. The administrative rule of upgrading members to citizens at one point was viewed as necessary for the smooth function of this role, rather than creating an unnecessary system of okay, as Viceroy, I grant you citizenship but wait until I get ahold of an admin before you are actually a citizen. Oh wait, the admins are gone for the week...ah crap. ![]() Delegates were given administrative access as a necessary function of maintaining regional security. Feeder delegates are among the most active regional members because the job demands it, and therefore it is beneficial to have a delegate admin to keep current with regional affairs, forum affairs, and enacting bans of members which is the part of the delegate's job. Now....I will be the first to say I was all for the removal of the delegate powers as admin. I saw it as not necessary to the function of the role, but recent events over the past few months has caused me to reconsider my stance. I may be have been very wrong in my attempt to remove those powers. Let me explain, I saw a threat to TEP if a bad delegate was elected who had admin powers. I saw the potential for abuse in that situation incredibly high. I believed that it was not difficult for someone to invite a bunch of their friends into the region to vote them into delegacy. But I need to now stop and ask, have we ever seen this happen? Now, examining in more thoroughly, I see what happens when our current admins are all but basically inactive. Kandarin "used" to be incredibly active but over the past few months, he had been prompted to respond to mostly all that he did through other people who needed his responses. I was among them, nudging him to post in the threads, respond to this situation or that, help clean the RMB. I understand that changes in his RL prevented him from partaking and do not fault him for not dedicating his whole life to NS. I am merely addressing this to show, what happens when the admin we all relied on to be active falls inactive?Pack is an incredibly good admin, really effective at maintaining the actual admin functions of the boards such as removing bot posts, spum, etc.... I give Pack tons of credit for maintaining the actual function of the admin role. Pack seems to be among the view who actually maintain the divide of what an admin should be doing versus what a government admin and RP admin should be doing. I believe a government admin needs to be re-instated to maintain roles such as granting citizenship, banning members, adjusting masking, what have you. It would benefit us to establish admins for certain roles and those admins partake within that specific area of functioning. I personally favor dividing roles....makes a team approach much more necessary to running feeders. ![]() I personally suggest the roles of RP admin (2 admins), forum maintainence (2-3 admins-our old team suffices and fills that role well, Pack is awesome at that, I must say so myself!), and government admins (2). Just a rough sketch, but one to give an idea of what I mean. ![]() |
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| packilvania | Jun 8 2010, 08:49:10 AM Post #43 |
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Also, if we don't want to be bogged down by admins, we do have a global mod function that can do everything an admin can, except make board changes. |
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| Alejandro the Penguin | Jun 8 2010, 09:40:09 AM Post #44 |
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Half of the guys are probably going to be one-offs anyways, so this is relevant because...?
This is good; but I'd like to propose something similar.
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| Dyr Nasad | Jun 8 2010, 09:46:17 AM Post #45 |
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Why? ![]() Count the number of active members on the forum, and then count the number of people on the admin/mod team..it would be disproportionately (sp?) high. Also, as I think I've posted elsewhere, I dont like admin tied to a position, but if any position deserved it, it would be the Viceroy (because s/he is responsible for masking new citizens and govt officials), not the Delegate ----Yes, I understand that this is drifting from the original topic, and I think that is probably fine because appearances* show that those involved are working out the issues. *yeah, they can be deceiving - if they are, tell us |
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| Kandarin | Jun 8 2010, 10:45:24 AM Post #46 |
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Since there seems to be some confusion on this, for the record the Viceroy position doesn't currently come with Admin powers and never has. So if someone wants that to happen, it'd be a good idea to suggest it. |
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| Allegheny | Jun 8 2010, 12:04:44 PM Post #47 |
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First off, how the hell is it not relevant? Viceroy as an Admin is a great idea. |
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| Warr | Jun 8 2010, 12:23:21 PM Post #48 |
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I can't say I'm for all this mismasss. Just as much as it makes absolutely NO FUCKING SENSE to mix RP with the government of the region, or let the government of the region interfere with RP, it makes ABSOLUTE NO FUCKING SENSE to let one incident change the entire world order of the forums. It further makes NO FUCKING SENSE to have that many admins. Why do we need 2 governmental Admins, exactly? The issue here wasn't forum administration, it was 'discussion of Kandarin's forum administration', which can and would be easily dealt with by making another RP admin to counter balance his power. I for one don't see a single fucking reason for Delegates to have administrative powers, none-the-less Viceroys. Even global mod power is immense, and quite frankly some of the people I'm fine with trusting the region in-game to I'm not fine with trusting the region on forums to. Why? We can get backups of broken things from the game. The forums, we can't. A singular powertripping admin could destroy everything, or go on a rampage against a single member. While this is possible in any ways, it's far more possible when you as the region 'elect' someone. Someone who puts on a pretty face for a while could get elected even if they're a total psychopath who has it out for the region. I don't give a slightest shit what other people think on the matter. I'm giving my thoughts on it. And Penguin? Don't quote a bit of my post or reply. I strongly urge you to shut your beak and go lay some eggs, because I don't want to hear a thing you say. You've proved before you're not from the region, and you keep on dragging down discussions through troll tactics. STFU. And if this post was too intense, I apologize for resorting to it, but not it's contnest. Don't like it, oh well. I can't be professional all the time and apparently those being professional will be ignored by those yelling like frantic spider monkeys. P.S.: I'm well aware that this post may be intense enough in words and offense that I get removed from magistrate status, or maybe demodded, or maybe blocked from a few people's IMs. But who gives a shit. IF this whiny emo bitching over a game keeps up, I'm likely going to quit soon anyways. It's not helping anything in my life to spend time on the RP and the forums if there's just a lot of anger and angst going around. GET THE OOC DRAMA AND START BEATING SOME IC LLAMAs. |
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| Warr | Jun 8 2010, 12:40:08 PM Post #49 |
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Other people are seeing fir to make double posts, so so shall I. Let me go in a less emotional way, and explain my qualms with this entire system of ideas. First and foremost, it is absolutely positively idiotic for us to give admin power to a delegate simply upon the virtue of them being elected delegate. While I don't have problems with trusting DFD with adminship, other people whom have revealed their want to become Delegate are people I've never even heard of, who came from defunct regions or decided to come here for one reason or another. While I'm not saying it's an absolute truth that they'll win, with the number of Endoswapping that many of them already do, I wouldn't put it past them fixing an election and using it as an invasion tool. I don't want to have to spend every six months fighting off invaders. I don't want to have to spend every six months hoping a native or a naturalized TEP citizen wins the election to be sure we don't have a day after explosion of deadminning and forum deletion. Viceroys having admin power? Makes perfect sense, but we should confirm the viceroy thrice. Once in the Magisterium, once in the Conclave, Once in the Admins. RP Admins should be held accountable, and I firmly believe that there should be another RP admin as well as Kand. While for a while I thought FPS or Kelssek had become RP Admins as well, it doesn't seem to have been the case. We need someone active doing so, so problems can be resolved if someone doesn't want to go to Kandarin, or feels that they'd be treated biasedly if they did. |
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| Free Pacific States | Jun 8 2010, 01:02:05 PM Post #50 |
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This is definitely a very controversial topic, so it is completely understandable that everyone here feels strongly about it, but the only way to address a controversial topic successfully is to do so respectfully. There is already too much swearing, insulting, and condemning happening in this thread. Let's try to keep it a bit more restrained, everyone. There are several questions at hand here. First, whether Kandarin egregiously abused his authority. Second, whether a system of checks and balances on the administration is needed. Third, what the administration ought to be. Allow me to address each topic in hand. First, Kandarin did not do anything wrong. Kandarin proposed that the Delegate cease to be an administrator. Kandarin proposed this action in a forum clearly visible to the Delegate. Kandarin removed the administrative powers of the Delegate when DFD did not object over the following month. Kandarin failed to alert the public to this action, which was definitely a mistake, but he did not "step over his bounds," demonstrate "poor judgement," or display "horrible insight." Second, there is no need for further checks on administrative power. There are already perfect checks on administrative power: public opinion and Loop. The members of the East Pacific clearly are unwilling to allow tyranny to prevail, a fact proven in this thread, and the highly-reliable Loop holds ultimate authority over the boards, ensuring that a member can get a tyrannous administrator removed if necessary. Let us remember that Loop YIELDED executive authority of this region, which makes him by far the most trustworthy of its members. But if none of that makes sense, let me make a far simpler argument: if it's not broken, don't fix it. Kandarin did not abuse power, he just took a controversial action, and yet he's now been stopped in his tracks. Clearly, the system works. Third, there is reason to the argument to reorganize the administration. There is a need for an individual to oversee citizen masking, there is not necessarily a need for a team as large as our current team, and there is a need for more transparency. But I cannot see the need for any more than a couple technical administrators, a single roleplaying administrator, and perhaps a single "government" administrator to perform tasks at the request of the government. That four man team, overseen by Loop, ought to be more than enough to get the job done. So long as Loop ensures that they're active, I see no reason to make the team larger than that. There is my two cents on the subject matter. Tear away!
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| Todd McCloud | Jun 8 2010, 03:34:23 PM Post #51 |
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FPS, don't think I'm signaling you out. I'm really not. I just wanted to reply to what you wrote.
Well, people have called him out on it, he admitted it was wrong, it seems like an open and shut case to me. I think it was wrong too. First, DFD and I did talk about 2-3 weeks ago about agreeing to having the delegate spot removed from the admin powers after her term. It was to be presented to the Magisterium to vote and what not. I am not a mod or anything, so I wasn't able to see the thread, but after reading what Warre posted, I was told the truth that it was posted as presented in the backroom. This was not what I thought was agreed upon, to be honest, which is why I was and am concerned. There have been ideas presented in this thread to remedy such concerns, and I think those should be addressed, but if we aren't on the same page, it might not go anywhere. This is not an attack on anyone - it's my account.
I believe an effort should be made to reverse the controversial decision and go for what the proposed plan was: present it to the Magisterium and have them hash it out. It's not up to me or us to figure out what they'd say. Most likely, they'd agree with the constant in this thread: delegate powers shouldn't be admin powers. I agree with that too. But, I really believe that a step to remove the bad blood here would be to rescind the resolution and go about it this way. I was not present during these talks, so perhaps there was a breakdown in communication. There isn't one now, as per this thread, so it might be best to proceed down that path. I am not taking a side here or an objectionable stance; on the contrary, I am more interested in finding a resolution that is right and would cause the least amount of problems for all members.
I personally believe roleplay admins should be mods who just pin, trim, lock, etc posts. Maybe one could be an admin, but that's just me. I believe the delegate should be a global mod and the viceroy needs to be an admin. I also believe we could use 1-2 more admins, from active, relatively newer people in the region, and by relatively new I mean at least over a year old here, of course. I think it would help things in this region, and restore confidence in the team. Plus it would relieve some of the pressure here. Kandarin has explained he will be very busy come next year. I know for a fact the other three active mods are very busy in their lives too. And Loop... I haven't seen him around in over a month. So I really do believe we could use 1-2 more admins.
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| Nalt | Jun 8 2010, 03:47:05 PM Post #52 |
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So, why did the admin need to discuss this in a hidden forum? What could the admin be doing that the rest of us can't see? I don't mean that to sound accusatory or anything, just curious. What decisions are made that need privacy? |
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| Todd McCloud | Jun 8 2010, 03:50:27 PM Post #53 |
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Your concerns echo mine, Warre.
I think as long as there are two candidates running for the spot, with at least one being a trusted individual in the region, we shouldn't have a problem. New blood is good, but at the same time, we can't give the post to someone we don't trust or we don't think would do a good job. I am confident the region will do this - we have enough whistleblowers here that would make a wolf in sheep's clothing look like nosferatu ![]()
I agree with part of what you said. Viceroy needs admin powers. However, as per the current nominees, if we get rid of one of the inactive ones that would make seven. If seven trusted people in the region cannot pick among them one person who is trustworthy and active, I'd agree, let the other branches decide. But we don't have the delegate or arbiters vote on a provost. We should keep the branches separate, but not too separate. In this case, let them pick it. If someone objects, they may do so, and it will be addressed.
The RP mod / admin position should be reviewed. I think we as a region need to figure out what to do with that. Government is government, and forums are forums, but I really believe there is some problems there that are quite old. ((edit: I have no idea why the quote tag isn't working for this post)) Edit #2: Because quote was misspelled by accident. Fixed it for you. ![]() DFD
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| Todd McCloud | Jun 8 2010, 03:52:55 PM Post #54 |
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Well, I was able to see it for over a year, lol. Really, nothing big happened there when I was around. And all feeder regions have a forum such as that. It's just mainly used for getting opinions among the admins, from what I recall. |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Jun 8 2010, 03:59:46 PM Post #55 |
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Cool like Snakes
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Get the facts: Global Admin Discussion: The thread where I first introduced the topic of removing delegate powers and specifically mentioned that we needed to pass it through the Magisterium. Proposed Access Changes: The thread that the vote I was evidently part of took place. When you see my vote on the Proposed Access thread and the Magisterium approval of this action in addition to the removal of Kandarin's admittal that he was wrong then I will listen to any and all arguments about Kandarin's proposed innocence. Until then, here are the facts. :lol: |
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| Nalt | Jun 8 2010, 04:01:11 PM Post #56 |
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DO NOT WANT!!!!!!
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Just seems to me if we could all see the forum but not post communication might be less of a problem. EDIT: Oh... I guess the discussion wasn't hidden by DFD's links... :lol: Also, someone mentioned earlier that because there is a Root Admin we don't need checks because he can keep the others in line... One of the regions I was on had a vice delegate and forum admin go ... insane ... through a raider backed coup and he screwed with the source code for the regional forum, and made it so screwed up that the forum never fully recovered, it acted glitchy from then on. We had a root admin, and he was able to get rid of the nut, and change as much back as he had copied... But it wasn't perfect. I wouldn't count on the Root being able to fix everything. |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Jun 8 2010, 04:11:46 PM Post #57 |
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Cool like Snakes
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Topid addresses a valid point of relying on a root admin to solve our problems. Loop is our root admin. When was the last time anyone saw Loop log in or post? Root admins only work when root admins are actually active and even then they cannot fix everything. Just a thought. ![]() |
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| packilvania | Jun 8 2010, 05:04:12 PM Post #58 |
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Caliph
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maybe we should force loop to name a successor? That or find him and make him more active... |
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| Alejandro the Penguin | Jun 8 2010, 05:18:29 PM Post #59 |
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The Alejandro Factor
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He logged on last on 2 June... I think. |
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| Der Fuhrer Dyszel | Jun 8 2010, 05:49:26 PM Post #60 |
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Cool like Snakes
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He might occassionally log in but seldom does really much of anything. Again, this is not an attack against Loop; he's a great guy. We just need to consider that NS is changing game, we cannot cling to what people were and what they did in the past. We need to either change with the game or fail as a region. Based on my wide spread experience in this game that is the failure of many regions...they do not evolve with the changing tides of the game. On the other hand, I like Pack's solution! *finds a ball and chain marked Property of TEP and hands it to Pack to attach to Loop's leg* ![]() I am all for keeping the admins who have been here, here. Obviously if they are still here they care about the region and we need that. I just am more in favor of adding new blood to the old blood so that way we are not stuck in old ways of doing things. Give a chance to the new guys and make them feel like they too can actually acheive something in this region. ![]() |
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I've never heard of that before... So theoretically, could the admin could decide we don't need a government and delete all the government forums? Most places I've seen would have forum administration part of the Executive branch, possibly even lead by a cabinet member/leader himself.









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