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| Topic Started: Aug 27 2010, 12:34:23 AM (1,350 Views) | |
| Warr | Aug 27 2010, 12:34:23 AM Post #1 |
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As a foreward note before you start reading any of this thread: I've already heard it from people. I've heard it time and time again, and I don't care to hear it again. Just as people say that it's each player's right to RP their nation how they want to RP it within mainstream TEP, it's my right to come up with this idea, and post it. If people don't like it they won't participate in it. If they do, they will, simple as that. Regardless of the population that TEP boasts as far as role plays and role players, I shouldn't be told to stop my idea just because there's only so and so many roleplayers as it is. If you want to talk about any of that, or say 'omg you're idea is stupid', please show me the OOC courtesy of not posting in this thread with that. People seem to think that I should fight for my ideals more, and so I shall. Regardless of if a person is my friend or not, if they try to push my ideals down I'll be obligated to argue for my ideas and ideals, I'm tired of huffing IRL when someone irks me and then wandering off to do something else. TEP is still my home. It is the place I started NS on, and started RPing on a 'nation scale' on. I hope to keep it as my home; but it requires for a number of changes on the availability of certain RPs, to allow me to keep my interest up. It requires for their to be an alternative to the current set up. This foreward is done; I will now go into my idea. --- Onwards and forwards. My idea is simple, it is concise. It is unassuming and does not hurt anybody else by existing. TEP's current RP section set up should be condensed into 3 forums, perhaps 4 if there is an 'absolute need' for news posts to have their own section and not to simply be a subsection of the main forum. The Main TEP IC universe, The Alternate Universes forum, and finally the OOC section. Within the [main] Alternate Universes section, there should be the ability to make an OOC thread or IC thread, regardless. This allows for players to differentiate the AU RPs from the main universe RP. Within the AU RP section, I am doing a 'reboot' of the TEP universe. With a different map, different approaches to things, and ultimately, an independence from the 'mainstream' continuum. I'd like to see it have it's own subforum within the Alternate Universes section, but we shall see. The reason for this 'reboot' is to allow more community interaction for players who do not wield hyper-galatic megasuperpowers, or nations which can blockade entire countries with a single noble house, or otherwise throw off sense. While I think that a firm 'realism' requirement within the forum is not -absolutely- necessary, expect this forum to be far more realistic than the mainstream continuum. Expect to see it's operation as entirely different from the rest of the 'Role Play' forums, as well. My plan is to change the dynamics of how this alternate universe will work from an IC perspective and and an OOC perspective. For it to work it has to be wholly separate from the 'mainstream' RP forum upon the forum, in the sense that the RP Admin has no sway over it, and the taboos which the mainstream RP has are not presented. While I am beginning to build this -setting- [and I hope it is actually a 'we' are building it, as I welcome cooperation and help], with a number of things in mind. The first is that while people should be allowed to RP a nation they want to, this is a -community-; and internet RPing is more aptly called 'Collaborative Writing' with the emphasis on 'Collaborative'. To make the collaborative writing game we're playing work properly, we have to be willing to collaborate. Take into consideration the history of those who might be your neighbors, and collaborate with them on all the aspects of your nation. It's your right to be in whatever plot you want, but you might be stomping on your established neighbor's RP if you have something that is totally out of left field or you're RPing some sort of super expansionist power with tons of technology next to an idealistic rural state that is barley on the same technological stage at all. Or an entirely different species that's ultra-nationalist or something next to another nation. But it goes beyond simple concepts and history, it also goes on to the size and the power of the nations that're played. It goes on towards the way disputes are handled. It shouldn't be the same person for every dispute. Some might have problems with the person who would be called to judge. Some might just see another person as having more knowledge on a particular subject so the ability to arbitrate it better. It allows for more equal and fair judgment, and it also allows for things to be dealt with easier. A person who isn't even a staff member can arbitrate a dispute if the people participating in it agree to let the person deal with it. A collaborative HISTORY and collaborative decision on things such as a nation having so and so technology or somehow being a triple sphere power that's not only a few inches from crashing down in every sector will promote activity, it will stop resentment, stop quiet raging towards other players and will keep problems between concepts and nations from turning into problems between players. It will promote depth of the RP, and it will also make every -PC- nation more important. But beyond that I think that [when] I make a map for this, I won't be handing out any map plots to people who them for NPC nations, or who 'RP this nation who is friendly with their's breaking away from another', etc. If you want to go to war, do it with another nation or with yourself. Rebellions are all the rage; yo. Internal strife and willing to have your nation weakened are good signs of your OOC security towards things. So in pinpoint [And not 700 words] form: - I'm starting a new RP Universe [That is a 'reboot' of TEP], preferably with it's own sub-forum. - This forum will not feature the same thought processes as the mainstream TEP universe. There will be no interfering from the RP Admin, and either there will be a number of 'moderators' that are predecided by the players within the new Universe; who resolve disputes about things, or simply a neutral player who both disputers agree upon. - This Alternate Universe will be more mundane in it's level. While I'd rather not see a storm of 'other sentient species' existing with in [as it changes the entire dynamic of the kind of human nations we'd be playing in the first place], I won't rule it out either. But we will be working on collaborative history, either as an entire 'universe' within the RP, or at least within the regions. Todd's [fairly excellent] explanation for the evolution of his Vulpines could for instance be used to create a continent or subcontinent filled with sentient 'animal races', but them popping up all across the world seems less likely. Evolutionary conditions wouldn't magically pop up. - People will be able to RP their nations as they want, but if the other players have a qualm, they have the right to bring it up. As a measure to avoid headaches as of right now, don't even -try- playing a triple sphere [As in beloved diplomatically, having the best military technology and a large military, and having a super economy] or double sphere [see before] 1st class nation. The US is more like a collection of nations, and it's not even a triple sphere 1st class nation. It's got great economic and military power, but it's diplomatic ability isn't one that is particularly lauded or something you could call 'beloved'. - Tacos. They are delicious. - DFD is in a stockade for not liking Peanut Butter. - I -will- be making a new map, assuming that there's enough interest from players. I may not look like I have the skill, but I believe that I do. I've been practicing even. - Until I find a better name, this 'alternate universe' will be called 'An Aigéin Chiúin Thoir' [The East Pacific in Irish Gaelic]. Thank you for your time. |
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| SCKnightVulshain | Aug 27 2010, 12:43:35 AM Post #2 |
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I think this is a good idea, and it presents an opportunity for people to roleplay in a more community-focused environment. |
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| Southern Yugoslavia | Aug 27 2010, 01:57:14 AM Post #3 |
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So it's basically a more "down-to-earth realism (Today tech)" TEP universe? And if I understand
correctly, most sentient beings would probably be around a concentrated area, sort of like ethnic groups, correct? It would be interesting to see what what kind of conflicts could have erupted in the past/present/future between lupines, vulpines, and lobos. I like the idea, and I wouldn't mind not having to fight an intergallictic empire if the most technologically advanced military weapons are 4.5 generation jet fighters (MiG-35, Su-35, etc.) and ships. Even if it means making my national maps beautiful again. Oh and Warr, by the way: omg you're idea is stupid. [<- If this catches your eye first, please read above, then see below.] [If you didn't pick up it up (I'm not assuming you didn't), the last portion is a joke. "omg you're idea is stupid." portion, not the "I like it" portion.] |
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| Warr | Aug 27 2010, 02:04:39 AM Post #4 |
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Yes, most non-human sentient beings [or at least animal evolved sentient beings of the like kind] would be more clustered into one area, either continent or otherwise, as the same things that were forcing foxes to evolve would've forced the wolves and canids to evolve, considering they're in the same ecological niche, or at least close to being in the same one. This will be close to a down-to-earth [today tech] TEP Universe, but the map will be different, and we will not bother with ignoring the -big- questions, or ignoring necessary history. Different map, different world, different geo-political concerns, and probably somewhat different nations, for sure. |
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| Reziel | Aug 27 2010, 03:09:38 AM Post #5 |
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Eternal Delegate
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If this is feasible, I'd vouch for it. In the end, it will solve all of the problems:
It's probably a bit drastic... but in this way, everyone's rights will be fully respected. |
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| packilvania | Aug 27 2010, 06:26:41 AM Post #6 |
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I support you whole-heartily on this. As an oldbie, can I offer a few suggestions? 1: A map is a pain in the ass to keep up. Trust me on this one. You will need rigid rules on who controls what, or you WILL get someone who tries to dominate it. 2: Keep it active. Activity is key. A universe with 2 people in it is no fun ![]() 3: Try to keep up in the old universe to. We'll miss you here
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| Reziel | Aug 27 2010, 07:18:58 AM Post #7 |
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Eternal Delegate
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[joking mood] *grins* ... not so many to-be-assimilated people, if we go awy, isn't it? ![]() [/joking mood] |
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| Free Pacific States | Aug 27 2010, 08:22:59 AM Post #8 |
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This definitely seems like a good idea. Count me in. |
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| Veerilion | Aug 27 2010, 10:15:24 AM Post #9 |
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Sounds like a very good idea. |
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| Todd McCloud | Aug 27 2010, 12:06:29 PM Post #10 |
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Planet Telox
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Sounds good to me. Let's get the ball rolling! Or... roll up our sleeves, lol. |
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| Smigol | Aug 27 2010, 01:56:36 PM Post #11 |
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Money for nothing and coups for free
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YOU HAVE MY SWORD! |
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| Warr | Aug 27 2010, 02:04:06 PM Post #12 |
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And my ax? [Todd should include and my bow] Another point: The world depicted on the map will be the 'only' world. In as such, if you want a colonial power to have taken over your nation and molded it, look for one that's within the map. It reduces NPC involvement, and it also helps enrich the world and player connections. It makes things such as 'racial' [not species, actual racial] concerns a possibility, and allows for the same thing that I'm saying towards the assortment of animal peoples that may exist. |
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| Lazlowia | Aug 27 2010, 04:34:47 PM Post #13 |
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PR of Lazlowia
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You have my support and a Limited Edition Star Trek collector's plate. |
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| Allegheny | Aug 27 2010, 05:14:07 PM Post #14 |
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You won't have me in this. I hate this idea, it's just going to end up making a bigger divide then we already have and one of these 'universe's' is going to end up being ruined by this, but whatever apparently everyone else here likes this. regardless., I'll just take my butthurt elsewhere i guess. and don't tell me to give it a chance, my mind is set on this. |
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| Todd McCloud | Aug 27 2010, 05:54:08 PM Post #15 |
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Planet Telox
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If someone or a group of someones want to create an AU, then that's fine, I think. As long as it doesn't replace what we have currently, because that roleplay has been going on for well over seven years. It is, and always should be, canon. I'd be very angry if it disrupted that. It should not rival our current setup, rather, it should be an extra application to roleplay here. I don't think it should be that people have to choose one roleplay over the other. That's not why I liked this idea, and if it turns into a bigger divide, a clique, or people trying to "draft" others to either side, I'll really speak out against this. I don't think anyone here said they liked this with the intent of abandoning their current roleplay or making a bigger divide. This is an application, an alternate universe, like the zombie TEP or the middle ages TEP, the way I see it. If it isn't, tell me. Again, I don't think I need to choose what to roleplay. I just want to roleplay. You all know me - I'm a jerk who clings to his backstory-laden vulpine nations like a dead baby (XD). I'm not going to abandon those nations, and I don't want to be in a position where I feel like I have to. Yeah, I know people are mad, upset, feel like they're not being listened to, et cetera. If people are mad or worried about this, maybe we should think this through first? Just so everyone is clear that this is not intended to replace anything we've worked so hard for? Or just talk about it in general? |
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| Southern Yugoslavia | Aug 27 2010, 06:19:51 PM Post #16 |
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I agree with Todd. Maybe the AU could be an entirely new world with different nations so the mainstream universe doesn't get ripped apart. For example, maybe in the mainstream you have a peace loving nation, but when in the AU you have a war-mongering country that burns neighbor's fields and takes their women*. I too (like Todd) refuse to give up my species and nation, especially because I'm working on their religion, folklore, and language. Either way, I'd probably be more active in the mainstream universe. *Disclaimer: I take no responsibility in offending someone with this line. |
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| Really Nice Hats | Aug 27 2010, 06:41:02 PM Post #17 |
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I love this sort of thing. Always interesting to see how people and things react to different circumstances. In the spirit of the thing, I'd use more modern technology (currently stuck somewhere around the Great War) and play the 'descended from tribal empire' thing up a bit. And, er, maybe actually try to be there. |
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| Warr | Aug 27 2010, 10:28:31 PM Post #18 |
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No one said I had to have you on it, All. I thought you might enjoy the concept, but in the end it's your choice if you do or do not join this RP, the same with anyone else. This isn't a way to say 'Lol stop RPing in the mainstream universe', it is simply meant to give an alternative to the current world and world set up we have. If you don't want to be apart of it, that's fine, as it's your choice where you RP. And let me reiterate. I have no intent to take players from the mainstream universe, but rather give them an alternative to what currently exists. I imagine most players will stick to the mainstream universe and dabble here, but I'm probably going to be focusing mostly here. I can't deal with the 'conducive and long lasting acid trip' that is the mainstream universe's setting and continuum. I'm not saying that free form is bad; but I am saying freeform with unlimited power or justification of extreme super power being 'I've been here so and so many OOC years.' is. |
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| Chancellor Shaw | Aug 27 2010, 11:00:01 PM Post #19 |
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While I appreciate the idea in theory, to me it is unfeasible. I have only recently begun to bring my nation into the current RP universe. It has taken a lot of effort and time, and I cannot imagine the amount of time some of the more experienced players have devoted to it. Realistically, I know I am unable to create, maintain, and interact with two separate nations in two separate universes when one should work just as well. I currently feel that I do not have enough time and energy to devote to the current RP universe, and certainly would not be able to contribute to two, no matter how much I wish I could. For this reason, I am more than likely going to stay with the current universe, unfortunately. I do not believe that I am the only one who is ever going to think this way, and thus certain players like myself are going to be divided. Some will choose the first universe, others will choose the new one. This creates a separation of what is already a small number of players. More power to you if you are able to contribute to both, but I am afraid that I am not. |
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| Warr | Aug 27 2010, 11:34:24 PM Post #20 |
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To clarify what I've said before: No one is going to be forced into participating in this new universe. The same that no one is being forced into participating in this new universe [which will allow almost exact ports for quite a few nations, with some historical changes of course]; and as such. Please, out of consideration OOCly for me as a player. -If you don't have something to say nice, don't say it at all-, call me a hypocrite all you want for saying that, but three or four posts in the thread saying 'Well I'm not participating' don't do anything but 1, try to subtly tell other players who've said they plan to at least look into it to not do it, and 2, clutter up the thread. It's rude. |
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| Warr | Aug 28 2010, 01:08:01 AM Post #21 |
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Double post, but doesn't bother me. Here's a teaser image of the upcoming map for the 'rebooted' TEP universe. Thanks to Smigsachenweiz, Todd, and Veerilion for input on it, and it'll still be evolving. At this point, these are just some plots for players to claim. More are coming, without a doubt, and I'm also willing to allow players to create their own plots [from the above established continents or otherwise, as new islands/big islands] and integrate them into the map; at least to a point. ![]() Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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| Free Pacific States | Aug 28 2010, 07:58:28 AM Post #22 |
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Well, I'm not sure if we're allowed to claim plots yet, but I'd love 101 if that's the case. I'd not need to write much new information given its archipelago-us form. For the record, I'd also warn against simplifying nations to diplomatic ability, military strength, and economic power. If nothing else, political stability must be on that list, because while it tends to go with economic power, it doesn't always. |
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| Warr | Aug 28 2010, 02:09:40 PM Post #23 |
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It also factors into military and political strength, as well. Stability is like 'HP' of nations. And I'm not allowing people to claim plots yet, but I'll make sure there's a few archipelagos available, because I also need one [and planned on claiming #101]. After some looks at the current map, I'm also going to be combining a few of the already existing plots. And on that note, FPS; do you want your nation to be little mainland mostly islands, no mainland at all, and all islands, or what? |
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| Free Pacific States | Aug 28 2010, 02:26:41 PM Post #24 |
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Yeah, it might be a good idea to combine some plots. Now that I look, the mainland of #101 alone is larger than most other plots, and with the islands its huge. That's probably what made me notice it (and want it). But, honestly, there's no need to design a plot specifically for me. I'm already RPing the "Federated Alliance of Free Pacific States" in one place. I'm not really interested in doing it in two places. I'm looking at creating a whole new country at this point. It might share the same name, but, unsure even on that. |
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| Warr | Aug 28 2010, 02:33:53 PM Post #25 |
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Owch double post. But okay, and yeah. I made that map plot first and was trying to vie between making 'fair' sizes plots and making them too small. Looking at it now I'm somewhat aprehensive of the size [and also think I need to make some more small islands here and there all around. |
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| Free Pacific States | Aug 28 2010, 03:02:35 PM Post #26 |
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I'd suggest making a variety. Some people may want only a small plot (Dannistaan) while others may want a larger plot (Packilvania). Personally, I'll be looking for a larger plot with a sea border. I've decided to model my country on Somalia. Should be a fun way to ensure RP activity. |
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| Warr | Aug 28 2010, 03:11:14 PM Post #27 |
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I was planning to make a variety, but I believe I was zoomed in too much [or thought I was zoomed in too much] at first when making some of the places. |
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| Dannistaan | Aug 29 2010, 10:21:34 AM Post #28 |
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Bat Shoot Loco
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Ideally I would be looking for a archipelago type plot to participate. Or at least copy over some elements of my current EP plot. |
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| East Malaysia | Aug 30 2010, 07:50:30 PM Post #29 |
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Laugh hard. Run fast. Be kind.
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Believe it or not, I will actually join in on this but I plan to model my realistic nation after my own in some ways. Like the island set up; etc. The Royal Islamic Republic of East Malaysia has been born; now it is time to do thy research...and research...and more research... |
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| Free Pacific States | Aug 30 2010, 08:45:45 PM Post #30 |
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Number One Drone
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Hmmm...if someone else is going Islamic, I might alter Faramount's religion to be that. I'd intended to do a Christian-Islam hybrid but only because I wasn't sure if how much we were including RL history. |
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