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Policy with Endorsements Received; 1 Endorsement for 1 Endorsement=Equality
Topic Started: Oct 24 2010, 01:10:13 PM (2,245 Views)
Reziel
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Oct 25 2010, 11:36 AM
You agree? :whistle:

... is NO an answer you'll take for good without further (endless) discussions? :lol:
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Todd McCloud
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Not a big fan of percentages here. The only feeder (to my knowledge) that works with percentages is The South Pacific, and that can be a pain to monitor. Like, say the delegate went from having 80 votes to 72 votes for whatever reason. Now nations that would be okay at, say, 39 endorsements, are suddenly in violation. So, delegate TG's them, does an endo sweep, and suddenly they're back up to 84. Now those 39-endo people are perfectly fine until the cycles begin again.

Having a set number is just easier. It doesn't change from day-to-day - it's eighty. Don't go over eighty and you're fine. This number won't change tomorrow, nor a week from tomorrow. It's a set line.

I also don't want to put restrictions on the delegate endorsements. As long as they are above the viziers, all is well. It's sort of an unwritten rule that being +10 above viziers is a good minimum. Let the delegates do that - we don't need to give them more laws, because as long as they're above the viziers, all is well in the region.

Not everyone in the region will endorse the delegate. Some nations pick the oddest reasons not to vote for the delegate (I recall someone didn't like Doctor Who, for instance, so they didn't endorse me). To demand the delegate, and the viziers for that matter, to maintain counts that high is not going to happen. No feeder delegate in this game has near 190 endos. We can't demand our delegate and viziers to try to maintain these levels. What happens if they don't, for instance? Bottom line: they've got lives XD. We shouldn't expect them to be on the hunt for endos, because trying to maintain those levels will be very difficult. Trust me, I tried, and it was hard.

The catch-all here is why change a system that isn't broken? We've done well with the 80 cap, the 2-3 viziers, and the delegate for almost two years now. I don't see a necessary change here, to be honest.

Furthermore, I'm curious as to where you got those numbers...
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Statistics is made by me ... I looked at all the pages with nations in the region.
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Todd McCloud
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I really think you'd be much better off with accepting the cap and moving on, tbh. The delegate has already said he will veto any proposed changes to the cap, something I agree is a good thing, because we haven't needed to change the system. Just accept it and move on. I know you're fighting for something you believe in, and I like that, but trust me, this is not a fight that's really worth fighting for. We didn't make allowances in the past for people, and even the former delegates of the region stay below the cap. Just keep it below eighty.

I think your efforts would be better used if you wanted to contribute to the region. Well, once your citizenship is recognized, you may run in Magister elections in November. If that's something you want to do, go for it. Get to know us. You know that we're very particular with our region and its laws. Talk with some of us. Get to know us better. This is a good place to play the game at, and I'd hate to see you leave it because of an endo cap violation.

This is probably the best advice I can give you at this time. I suggest you drop this, maintain a count below the cap, and get to know us a little better. We have a lot to offer you in this region - take some time to just explore, look around, and don't be afraid to ask questions to people here.
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I'd say you're wasting time, Todd. The guy there is TGing about his "legislative proposal" to raise the cap... *Reziel facepalms
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There is no reason to change the system, so far as I am concerned. The East Pacific allows resident nations to gain a large number of endorsements, 80 altogether, while still not allowing so much endorsement gaining to threaten the government. We've struck a good balance -- the system is not broken, so, let's not fix it.
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Ok, you TGm´ed me and here i am.
But after reading this thread, i don´t see how i or anyone could contribute...
You suggested a new endocap and gave your reasons for that. The magisterium listened you, considered your point, but decided the region should keep it as it is, and explained you why.
Therefore, continuing this discussion is fruitless.
If you stick around and contribute, you have a good chance to get elected to magisterium. They make our laws. Peharps then you can convince them to change this decision. But continuing this now will only get people annoyed.
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Oct 26 2010, 03:57 PM
Ok, you TGm´ed me and here i am.
But after reading this thread, i don´t see how i or anyone could contribute...
You suggested a new endocap and gave your reasons for that. The magisterium listened you, considered your point, but decided the region  should keep it as it is, and explained you why.
Therefore, continuing this discussion is fruitless.
If you stick around and contribute, you have a good chance to get elected to magisterium. They make our laws. Peharps then you can convince them to change this decision. But continuing this now will only get people annoyed.


^^ this ... and it takes a fair bit to get me annoyed but I'm getting there. :P
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I got the TG everyone got so...

As a citizen I see no reason to change the endocap, maybe it's because I honestly don't care about my influence in the region changing from minnow to anything else but TEP has an endocap and it works. I fail to see how it's unfair...it's a matter of regional security...

As an Arbiter, I have absolutely nothing to say, this is the Magisterium forum and they know what they are doing, so pay attention to them...
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I got it twice. But their is no need to raise the endo cap. 80 is good for it allows people of TEP to have endorsements and a buffer zone between the Delegate.
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I agree. 80 is a good number.
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Oct 27 2010, 04:28 AM
I got it twice.

You're currently under investigation. The fact you receive so many TGs is a good hint to say you're a partner in his revolt against TEP.

Damn... I *trusted* you, man!

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You know for as much as you guys say you hate drama, you really do love it. None of you could resist posting your opinions on the matter. :P Just pointing this out so when the next TEP crisis hits and I hear any of you utter that you dislike drama, I can just point back to this thread and say "oh really...." :lol:


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Drama keeps the world going 'round!

So there I was, minding my own business, when REZIEL just happened come out of nowhere and EXPLODE at me! OMG U GAIS
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>Implying this was a crisis and not a massive communications error.
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Oct 27 2010, 04:52 PM
>Implying this was a crisis and not a massive communications error.

You're currently under investigation, too. Your fault is diminishing a crisis via silly underestimation. Your behavior could be a threat for the regional stability, something you SHOULD grant!!

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Crisis or not, this appears to be over.


I suggest we leave this topic up to the provost's digression.
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I say DFD locks it and we end this entire discussion. The region spoke already, numerous times. One person saying change it versus the dozen plus other members say nothing is wrong, leave it. Democracy wins. I think the decision is clear. *shrugs* My humble opinion.

But you guys can continue creating drama and dragging it out. By all means, it humors me to see the way you respond. :P Oh human nature.... :lol:

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Oct 28 2010, 07:25 AM
I say DFD locks it and we end this entire discussion. The region spoke already, numerous times. One person saying change it versus the dozen plus other members say nothing is wrong, leave it. Democracy wins. I think the decision is clear. *shrugs* My humble opinion.

But you guys can continue creating drama and dragging it out. By all means, it humors me to see the way you respond. :P Oh human nature.... :lol:

UNDER INVESTIGATION! You too! Your irresponsibility in allowing precious TEP energies to be wasted in this discussion suggest you want everyone's attention dragged away by futile topics, so that you can go on working unnameable dark schemes of high treason.

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You are accurate. While your attention was drawn here, you failed to notice that it was all a diversion for Pack and I to get married and singlehandedly take over TEP as a unified power front. Fear the power of The Packlivanian Reich!

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Alright. I didn't want to close this while any form of serious debate continued, no matter how much I disagreed with the validity of the debate.

But, uh, I daresay that the last few posts demonstrate that serious debate ended. Closing this thread.
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