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Anur-Sanur Citizenship Denied; INTERESTED PARTIES ONLY
Topic Started: Oct 24 2010, 07:43:56 PM (1,015 Views)
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Viceroy invite Anur-Sanur to address Conclave with a matter she has described as urgent. EDIT: Anur-Sanur declined and asked that Viceroy address her citizenship status first.

Okie dokie.

This proceeding is subject to the Standing Orders of Conclave and the law of The East Pacific.
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may Anur-Sanur inquire as to the need and nature of this review?

as evident on this forum, other nations were immediately granted citizenship following a similar declaration of ratification that Anur-Sanur and R&M have made.

The law states:

==Article E: Citizenship==

Section 1) A Citizen of the East Pacific is a resident of the East Pacific that has ratified this Concordat.

I have done this, what is there to review? Further, the Citizen Suspension Act, which applies directly to the nation of Anur-Sanur states:


1. This law may be cited as the Citizenship Suspension Act.

Suspension and restoration of citizenship privileges

2. Any one who is a citizen of the East Pacific and whose NationStates nation account has ceased to exist may have their citizenship and all rights and privileges pertaining thereunto suspended.

3. Any one who has had their citizenship suspended under section 2 regains full citizenship upon the reactivation of their NationStates nation account.

Anur-Sanur has been reactivated. Anur-Sanur is once again a citizen. My orders to reaffirm said citizenship were unwarranted under the law, yet Anur-Sanur did them out of courtesy.

Now Anur-Sanur is "pending review", whilst other nations have been embraced with the utmost expedience. Anur-Sanur feels the Viceory, the leader of the Conclave, currently sits on shaky legal ground, and once again implores her to provide an explanation of the review.

Anur-Sanur is not naive. We understand that some have been bothered by our rising endorsements. We have addressed this in the Executive forums. That is the place for it to be discussed. It is cowardice to avoid debate on the issue, and to instead illegally hold up Anur-Sanur's citizenship. Due to these injuries, Anur-Sanur has been unable to exercise her rights, such as voting on the current WA matter at hand.

Anur-Sanur submits that these injuries be taken into consideration immediately. Anur-Sanur is confident that her fellow TEP nations intend TEP to be a region of laws, and that the law will prevail.

To insure understanding, Anur-Sanur wishes to indicate that none of this reflects the case she will bring before the Conclave in due time, that is of another matter.


You may.

Concordat states...
The Viceroy shall be charged with overseeing the naturalization process and the Viceroy shall maintain a record of all citizens.

The use of the Citizenship thread to track citizenship status was a practice of all previous Viceroys which I have continued. As long as I serve in Conclave, naturalization shall be public and transparent. Because that allows us to welcome you and to maintain a public process of tracking citizenship. Requiring you to post publicly that you have returned and want your citizenship suspension lifted is not "unwarranted."

You joined the forum in January 2009 and stopped after 21 posts. Your citizenship was suspended by a previous Viceroy. That wasn't personal because you CTE'd.

Since your return you have engaged in much personal debate:

  • You refer to a citizen and our Provost as slanderers.
  • You refer to the citizens of the region as paranoid.
  • You repeatedly claim Viceroy's review of your citizenship status has injured you.
  • You claim there is a matter at hand in which you can vote as a citizen. There is not: you can vote in the WA without being a citizen.
  • You claim Viceroy "ignored" your messages when I responded to them every day.
  • You claim citizens are granted immediate citizenship when some wait one to two weeks and others are denied.
  • You claim Viceroy is on "shaky legal ground" for considering whether or not to deny you citizenship. I did so because you were in violation of the endocap law when you asked for your citizenship suspension to be lifted.
Now you refuse to post the issue you have repeatedly described as "urgent" and requiring Conclave's "immediate attention" because I refused to change your citizenship status immediately?

We are not paranoid. We aren't slanderers. We haven't acted illegally. We haven't injured you or ignored you. We aren't afraid to debate and we aren't cowards.

Lifting your citizenship suspension for CTE is denied.

My grounds are that you are persistently vexatious and disruptive. You have displayed disdain for the laws and leaders of the region. You have raised more hell in 3 days than any nation I have seen since I moved here. Your name calling and accusations are a threat to region morale.

I would rather face a challenge of this decision in Conclave than have to deal with any additional arguments, insults, and accusations spread across our forum. You are advised that Conclave is the only venue for challenging this decision. Please do it in this thread and only in this thread.

Our Standing Orders state that Anur-Sanur has 3 days from the posting of my denial of Citizenship and re-titling this thread to post here or the appeal of the decision of Viceroy is waived and this thread will be locked.
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I have received a PM from Anur Sanur. As it is improper for Arbiters to discuss matters before Conclave privately pursuant to Concordat: we are required to consider matters "in open session" - I'll post the Q & A here.

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I would like to ask for an extension for my time to rebut, I think I'm allowed to ask for this under the SOC.

This is due to some RL issues and my attempts to get a witness. Also I read the SOC, but am still unclear on some things. Once I rebut, do we go straight to voting or is there another round? Please educate me on this.


I don't know how to better educate you on this. SOC states:
"Section VI: Trial Process

1. Any citizens or members may bring up accusations of offending members or citizens for the Conclave to review in the form of a post topic. These accusations must include the accused person(s) and offense(s) they are accused of committing in addition to any witnesses or advocates each side wishes to appear before the trial.

2. Any offenses brought to the attention of the Conclave must be determined to merit the need for a trial. The Conclave may have no more than one week to determine if a trial is needed by active Arbiter majority vote, and the acceptance of any advocates and witnesses proposed.

3. If a trial is deemed unnecessary, the Viceroy is charged with explaining why a trial is not granted and may offer advice as to how the issue may be resolved. Arbiters may be called to offer advice as well. The post topic is then locked.

4. If a trial is deemed necessary, the Viceroy is charged with pinning a topic that designates a motion for trial. In the opening post, the Viceroy must establish the conflicting parties, charges brought upon the accused person(s) by the accuser(s), and if the trial is open to public comments or is private.

5. The Viceroy is charged with guiding the direction of the trial: from the motion, to evidence provided by the accuser(s), to defense of the accused person(s), to opening the floor for questions, and suspending the trial to allow for arbiters to reach a sentence and verdict. Only those given clearance to post during the trial may do so as directed by the Viceroy and in response to a question proposed by an Arbiter.

6. Any party or Arbiter who becomes aware of a witness with relevant information as to the legality of a bill or the guilt or innocence of any party before the Conclave may petition the Viceroy during proceedings to amend the list of nations allowed to present evidence or argument. Once a vote has been taken, any such submission would be in the form of a Motion To Reconsider the matter based upon new evidence.

7. The accuser(s) have three days maximum to present enough evidence to convict the accused person(s). If the accuser(s) do not provide evidence in the time allotted, the trial is ended and declared void.

8. Once the evidence has been presented, the accused person(s) have three days maximum to provide a defense. If the accused person(s) do not provide a defense in the time allotted, the defense is dismissed.

9. Either side may call upon witnesses that have been cleared by the Viceroy, and request for more time, which may be granted by the Viceroy in the form of a numerical amount.

10. When the floor is opened for questions Arbiters may act as prosecutors in order to better assess the situation. The parties involved may only comment on questions asked by the Arbiters.

11. Trials are to last two weeks or until active arbiters have finished asking relevant questions, in which they must request for more time prior to the two weeks’ end. The thread is then locked by the Viceroy until a verdict is reached and a motion for debating between Arbiters is enacted.

12. To debate on a verdict and sentence, Arbiters will retire to a private subforum. Arbiters are not to speak about the debate elsewhere or rely on outside sources to affect their judgment.

13. If either party is found electioneering (attempting to sway the outcome of the trial outside of the trial thread), further consequences will be debated by the Conclave."


That's as specific as it gets. I encourage you to read trial threads subsequent to SOC to see how that plays out.

You have the right to challenge the determination of Viceroy that denied you citizenship. 24 hours of the 72 hours you have to appeal have expired. You ask for further consideration to delay the trial about which SOC is silent.

Granted. The clock is stopped at 24 hours and the thread is locked until you are ready. Please PM me when you are. I will PM you when the trial is scheduled and you will then have 48 hours to post your initial appeal.

A proceeding here isn't something that happens in a moment. Unless some immediate or urgent relief is sought, it is something we schedule. I offered an immediate appeal and you have declined. Since it now pleases you to wait, PM me and I'll put it on the Conclave calendar.

Do not expect that it will start immediately upon your request. This is a game. Not everyone logs in every day. There is other stuff we do here that may require our attention as well.
Barb
Arbiter Barbara Manatee
Ulthar Ambassador to The East Pacific
Convicted Thief of the Crown of the Vizier

Keep TEP beautiful!

The practice of peace and reconciliation is one of the most vital and artistic of human actions. - Thich Nhat Hanh
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Kurogasa: honest to Quetzalcoatl
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