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Pending Trial Romania and Moldova; Arbiters Only
Topic Started: Oct 31 2010, 08:13:17 AM (804 Views)
Der Fuhrer Dyszel
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I am opening this thread to begin discussions of the pending trial on Romania and Moldova. I have no interest in trying to work with this guy. He has shown blatant contempt and disregard for TEP and at this point is creating a public nuisance, a violation of the Concordat.

If he insists on continuing these games, I am pushing for a regional and forum ban. It is not our responsibility to give into the whims and cries of every member who enters these forums and thinks they are above the system.

He shows a pattern of behavior we have seen before with other members who were banned. It is within our best interests to remove him as soon as possible before he creates more drama. People like him do not wish to learn and bring more harm than good before the inevitable banning occurs.

At this moment I have not filed an official trial but please contribute your evidence now so when we do we can move it along quickly and not waste time with this decision. If I was not confident that a member like Romania and Moldova is only going to create chaos, I would not take the course of action. You know that when I speak against a member that I usually have enough grounds to do so and do not just point my finger at anyone and say 'oh bad person'.

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Romania and Moldova failed to adhere to administrative rulings. Evidence available upon request. I split and moved the topic so that we would not have to sift through spum to read the endorsement counts.

^_^

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Oct 31 2010, 08:15 AM
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Romania and Moldova failed to adhere to administrative rulings. Evidence available upon request. I split and moved the topic so that we would not have to sift through spum to read the endorsement counts.

^_^

We failed to conform to administrative decisions for withdraw endorsements?
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Unauthorized posting in thread. See above.

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I am not allowed to defend myself? In this case ... I went out from region ... I thought that in community will be treated friendly ... but from the beginning I was treated with hostility. Bye Bye.

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Thread closed, pending reopening if member re-enters the region.

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Thank you Arbiter DFD for bringing this to the attention of Conclave.

I have just returned from a lovely (sarcasm intended) RL business trip. I have a request from another nation challenging my decision to deny citizenship. This matter was submitted during the time that nation requested a delay of that trial, so this matter stands ahead of that challenge in the Conclave queue.

That the nation Romania and Moldova has left the region is, at least to me, irrelevant as to whether or not they have been a disruption in violation of Concordat and should have their citizenship denied. I need to rest up, look at my calendar over the next day or two, and get this stuff scheduled. Because protecting the region from disruptive nations by upholding Concordat protects the fun. I, of course, will entertain a Motion to Postpone this matter by any Arbiter after trial prep is complete if my fellow Arbiters believe we ought to attend to matters in a different order.

So I'm locking this again and ask that those who have evidence to present to please prepare it.
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I received a PM from Anur-Sanur.
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DFD has to be reigned in.

I understood your request to mean I can't post in the Conclave regarding my trial. All I'm doing is trying to openly communicate. The thread shouldn't have been locked, and DFD has a personal grudge against me that inhibits her from being an effective arbiter and admin.

so far you have acted with impressive impartiality and respectable fairness. I hope you can reign in your colleague so that such a favorable atmosphere can be maintained.


I responded:

"You understand clearly and correctly: Conclave must conduct all business in public and Conclave is the sole court of the region for resolving a dispute over citizenship or violation of the law. Arguing the issue elsewhere is not considered good manners. Posting in Conclave before being invited is considered disruptive.

Conclave isn't role play. Our last trial ended in a two nations being permanently banned from the region and the forum. As in forever: banject on sight for life. I take that seriously and doing that in a fair way seriously.

I have no power to restrain DFD's speech as a citizen or an Arbiter. Nor would I. She was appointed and approved because her opinion is respected by others in the region.

DFD is a former delegate and one of the seven Arbiters who may vote in your matter. It would have been resolved by now had you elected to go forward with the proceeding when I offered. In the meantime, you do yourself no favors questioning the judgment of region leadership outside of Conclave. Until it's scheduled and you are invited, your patience is appreciated.

Conclave doesn't "openly communicate" all over the forum. We stick to the matter in front of us and we do it in Conclave. But we take turns posting and listening in accordance with our Standing Orders, which I encourage you to read.

Your request for a delay puts your "day in court" on a collision course with some other stuff I have to do. I will get back to you within 24 hours as when that day will be. In order to be fair, I can't have too many RL and NS game balls in the air at the same time.

Your matter deserves thoughtful attention. The final decision is not mine, it is the consensus of the Arbiters."

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sorry this isn't very clear. is my position as defense of R&M permitted. if so, why should I be invited at every post? i'm an interested party am i not?

you said DFD "may vote". I don't understand, is this a rejection of my proposal to have her banned from judgement or does this mean you haven't decided. surely you must see that she is already set against me, and can not hope to be an impartial judge. I would direct you to the Community vs Government thread for evidence of this, among many.


A citizen has a right to a representative. This is Concordat. It's not a matter of debate or dispute.

NO ONE, not even the freaking WA Delegate, is an "interested party" in Conclave unless their presence is relevant to the current activity. So NO. Your are an interested party when you are invited. You are not "invited at every post." You are sometimes invited to post and other times invited to listen. In case that is not clear since I have moved two of your uninvited threads here to Admin for preservation - listening requires that you shut up. Not to mince words or anything, but since you don't seem to get my point, you can't listen if you're talking.

The status of Romania & Moldavia is decided: citizenship is suspended. They can challenge that ruling by sending me a PM and asking for a hearing in Conclave. I have received no such PM.

The status of your citizenship is decided: denied. You had the opportunity to challenge that in Conclave and asked for a delay. It would be determined today but your request to delay it put your proceeding in line after Romania & Moldova's proceeding.

Now naturalization has been suspended because we are getting our current citizenship list in order and opening up Magisterium nominations, and election season during which naturalization is suspended. So your two complaints against Viceroy are not going on the calendar until that election ends.

None of us is entirely impartial. We try our best in Conclave to hear evidence with an open mind and use our best judgment to apply the law of the region to the facts at hand. Whether or not DFD is part of that crew is not something Viceroy controls. Heck, Arbiter Shaw just got back from being on a shrimp boat - for which I allowed him extended recusal.

The recusal of an Arbiter in Conclave for conflict of interest or prejudice is a matter of their conscience: it is not something we impose upon them. DFD, as am I, is trusted to decide if her judgment is impaired by a conflict of interest or if it is not. Viceroy does not "reign her in" or question her integrity.

The fact that you have questioned DFD's integrity, or mine, or referred to the citizens of this region as "paranoid" does not mean you can then ask that they be excluded from judging you. Because you came here, you pitched a fit, and you asked for a judgment. Then you blithely announced in the Lounge something to the effect of "aren't we about to have an election?"

Yeah we are. Announcing that before suspending naturalization is against my policy. So when I saw that thread, I suspended it immediately. Which suspends my scheduling the Conclave's consideration of your naturalization. And that of the other nation whose trial you want to participate in.

Patience is a virtue. You asked me to wait. Now I ask you to wait. I also WARN you that I have registered a complaint with forum Admin to lock your account from posting until the trial. I don't have control over whether or not they do that. Might I suggest that your grace and patience in response to this delay will likely have more effect than my request.

Admin was here before I was elected Viceroy and Admin will be here when I'm long gone.
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