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| Provost Elections | |
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| Topic Started: May 17 2011, 10:52:24 PM (846 Views) | |
| Free Pacific States | May 17 2011, 10:52:24 PM Post #1 |
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Hello, fellow Magisters, and welcome to the newest session of the East Pacific Magisterium! Per the Standing Orders of the Magisterium, we now need to elect a Provost from amongst our own members to oversee Magisterium operations. The Standing Orders call for a 48 hour nomination period followed by a 72 hour voting period. Given that I was Acting Provost at the end of the last session, if there is no objection, I shall oversee the election. 48 hours for nominations now. A person need only be nominated to be put on the ballot. BALLOT Free Pacific States Vulshain |
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| Britannia Eire | May 18 2011, 11:15:48 AM Post #2 |
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How much of your time have I just wasted?
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I nominate: Free Pacific States Vulshain |
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| Free Pacific States | May 19 2011, 08:08:46 PM Post #3 |
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Well, it's been just about 48 hours, so I'll open up voting. Please cast a vote for FREE PACIFIC STATES, VULSHAIN or ABSTAIN. Plurality wins. I ABSTAIN. |
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| Free Pacific States | May 20 2011, 09:44:08 PM Post #4 |
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Number One Drone
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While I hate to be self-serving, I change my vote to FREE PACIFIC STATES. I don't want a repeat of the fiasco of last session, where we had no Provost. |
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| Free Pacific States | May 23 2011, 12:14:03 PM Post #5 |
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Well, then. 72 hours having passed, Free Pacific States is the winner by a vote of 1-0-4 with all non-votes discounted. Congratulations, FPS! :/ |
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| Barb | May 24 2011, 08:51:36 PM Post #6 |
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This is silly. You can't elect yourself. It says here that "Magisterium is prohibited from using unanimous consent to determine the voting record of the Magisterium. All votes pursuant to Concordat shall not consider the silence or inactivity of a voter as either a vote FOR or AGAINST." No player is elected Provost unless the Magisters elect them by majority vote as defined by Concordat. This was not a proper election. This game has rules. Do over. |
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Barb Arbiter Barbara Manatee Ulthar Ambassador to The East Pacific Convicted Thief of the Crown of the Vizier Keep TEP beautiful! The practice of peace and reconciliation is one of the most vital and artistic of human actions. - Thich Nhat Hanh
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| Barb | May 25 2011, 04:44:11 PM Post #7 |
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The Viceroy is not a him. Viceroy did not make "a ruling." Conclave made a ruling: "Magisterium is prohibited from using "of those voting" to determine a majority or super-majority in the voting record of the Magisterium." There's no reference in that ruling as to what kind of Magisterium vote, legislative or otherwise. Viceroy representing Conclave in Magisterium is a Concordat prescribed responsibility. It's not wildly overstepping anything. Concordat does not say all Magisters have to vote to elect a Provost - it just says "The Magisters." So point taken. I agree that if there was only one Magister, they could theoretically elect themselves. It was presumptuous of me to lock the thread. My bad. That WAS overstepping. Thread unlocked. |
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| Free Pacific States | May 25 2011, 04:52:32 PM Post #8 |
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Number One Drone
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The Conclave made that ruling with regards to the standing orders, not with regards to the election at hand, and the Conclave made that ruling based off language in the Concordat relating to the passage of legislation. The Conclave did not say that "oh, the Viceroy can walk over and nullify any action that might run contrary to this ruling at any time," and the Concordat did not give the Viceroy the authority to do jack in the Magisterium by appointing the Viceroy as a representative to the Magisterium. If you want to run the Magisterium, Barb, I'd suggest running for office. Otherwise, you need to either hold a trial to overrule this assembly's actions, or keep your work to that of a "representative." |
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| Todd McCloud | May 25 2011, 05:19:11 PM Post #9 |
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Planet Telox
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*removes delegate hat, or bigger popcorn crown or whatever, lol* At the risk of drawing this out, I'd like to make a comment. Personally, I believe Barb was in the right by nullifying the vote. Within these rulings of the Standing Orders for the Magisterium, it states at the very end:
The Arbiters voted 4-0-1, for. So, based on their interpretations of the Standing Orders, the unanimous consent ruling was determined to be at ends with the Concordat. This was done about nine months ago, so it's nothing new. But is it within the Viceroy's jurisdictions to do this? Yes, it is. From C-4 of the Concordat:
It says he or she will administrate all elections, so it appears the Viceroy is within his or her jurisdictions to 'void' an election if he or she deems it is unfair or against the Concordat. Judging by what was passed by the arbiters, it should be voided. Nothing personal, it's just that the voting didn't get past one vote, unfortunately. As for the thread being locked, that wasn't good. She's since rescinded that act and has re-opened the thread, which is good. But judging by what I've read in the two documents, the ruling was a valid move. I'm not siding with anyone here; I'm just looking at things as I see it. And finally, could you two please be more willing to work together? This could've been done without people getting cross over it. The voting didn't work due to not enough votes, and it should be re-opened to vote. It has, and hopefully this time around people will vote, campaign, whatever that needs to be done. I'd recommend contacting the other magisters to notify them an important topic is being discussed. Hopefully they will be willing to add their input / votes this time. If I stepped out of line by commenting on this, I'm sorry. Feel free to complain, but I wanted to say something before things escalated or just didn't resolve well. *puts on del hat* |
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| Barb | May 25 2011, 05:29:09 PM Post #10 |
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Sergeant Hobo 678
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Forget what I said. What ^ he said. |
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| Free Pacific States | May 25 2011, 07:17:49 PM Post #11 |
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I disagree entirely with both the reading of that decision and the reading of that section of the Concordat. The Viceroy was never supposed to hold authority over the election of the Provost; that is entirely a matter of the Magisterium. With that said, I don't really have any authority to do anything here, and even if I did, its clear that I stand alone in my view on this matter. So, I'll leave it alone. I have contacted each of the Magisters regarding the election. |
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| Reziel | May 26 2011, 05:54:08 AM Post #12 |
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Completely unofficial and partially OT... aside the law-grounds and the discussion about possible interpretations, we SHOULD have some kind of "reaction procedure" for cases like this, when the brand-new Magisterium fails THAT miserably with levels of acceptable activity. Ex autoritate new elections, perhaps?
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