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A magister who is not a citizen; moved from citizenship thread
Topic Started: Sep 13 2011, 07:14:54 PM (1,030 Views)
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A citizen is a nation in the region. A Magister is a citizen elected to serve the region. Government officials may not be in government and have have no nation in the region. That's Concordat.

I leave it to Magisterium to respond, or not.

The following was moved from the citizenship thread - where is does not belong.
Stateless573 posted: Sept 12, 2011 9:57 PM
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So, I'm not COMPLETELY sure it it's legal, but, I was needed to help one of my friends defend a region, so... I temporarily left... As soon as this is over with, or at least my part, I plan to move my main region back IMMEDIATELY... And in my replace, I have moved a puppet, 'Southern-ish Atlantia' to hold my citizenship.
(I read the concordat, and via my understanding, technically what I'm doing is legal, but it all depend on the Arbiter's translation of it)
Source: Article F, Section 7 - The East Pacific's Concordat


If you notify the Viceroy of your PERMANENT nation in TEP, I anticipate no problems.
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Sorry about that, umm.. I did make a post less then 2 hours later saying I had returned to TEP, and So I'm in TEP again...
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The following was moved from the citizenship thread - where is does not belong.

(Also, I asked Todd, and he thought that the citizenship thread was the best place to put it)
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Sep 13 2011, 08:27 PM
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Sep 13 2011, 06:14 PM
The following was moved from the citizenship thread - where is does not belong.

(Also, I asked Todd, and he thought that the citizenship thread was the best place to put it)

True. I felt it was just a simple announcement and a question.
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That's fine, no big deal. Where this started isn't the issue. For the record, the person to ask for legal interpretations in the Viceroy. The citizenship thread is for naturalization. The place for questions about law is Conclave.

I doubt anyone would have noticed if the Magister had just moved out and slipped back in. Or asked Viceroy and waited for an answer. If the Magister left any nation in the region, then it's really no issue at all.

Any government official can create a puppet and give it WA status if they want to raid or defend.

Government officials must be citizens and citizens must have a nation in the region. That doesn't require anyone's interpretation - there is no other conceivable interpretation. It's not controversial. What would be controversial is that one or more government officials use their official TEP nation for either raiding or defending and that identification with TEP government threatens our region status as neutral and seriously pisses off some of the raiders or defenders we welcome here in their embassies.

It only became an issue because the Magister posted the question followed by a "never mind I'm back." A simple announcement (I'm a government official and my nation is leaving this region) and a question (is that legal?) was followed by "scratch that - I'm back" (which sounds a lot like: never mind if it's legal). It's that last one that has me scratching my head. Actually the whole thing has me thoroughly perplexed.
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As a bit of a side-note, Viceroys do check to see if people still do have legal citizenship prior to elections. Since they alone control the elections and their time frames, it is best to always let them know where you're at (I believe this actually happened a while ago if I'm not mistaken, someone became an expat but their nation was in another region).
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Right, I mean, I understand, Soo... I guess, I didn't even think of a puppet nation at the time :/ Sorry about that...
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Since I started this nonsense without even consulting Provost Vulshain, I'll stop now. Please, no expatriot or CTE'd nation for a government official.

No harm, no foul. Peace.
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Keep TEP beautiful!

The practice of peace and reconciliation is one of the most vital and artistic of human actions. - Thich Nhat Hanh
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Todd McCloud: don't feed the trolls
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It's kk, I was kinda worried this would happen anyway... It was at 11:00 PM when I agreed to this, and I was already beat from the day... It was mostly me acting out of my extremely tired and slow impulses... I won't do it again :D
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I'm only uncompromising and severe when it comes to being forum admin.
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Everything else is a learning experience - for all involved. Manatees included.
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