# \[AMENDMENT\] Executive Act rewrite **URL:** \ **Category:** The Magisterium\ **Tags:** amendment, tabled\ **Created:** [July 22, 2023, 1:28am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125 "2023-07-22T01:28:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/zukchiva/32/15649_2.png) [@Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Zukchiva)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 1:28am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/1 "2023-07-22T01:28:21Z")
So I’m bored and decided to try rewriting the Executive Act again. The main reason this Act was created was to develop a basic structure for the region, and along the way it absorbed UTEP’s thingies. I also tried to simplify it, although it is of similar length to the current Executive Act since I added all those Delegate duties. Reason I added Delegate duties was that it may be helpful for us to legally define duties that generally aren’t within our law but probably should be seen as core duties of the office. Lemme know y’alls thoughts ig > [@](#): > > BE IT ENACTED by the Magisterium of the East Pacific: > > SECTION I. CITATION > > …1.1. This law shall be cited as “the Executive Act”. > > SECTION II. THE CABINET > > …2.1. The Cabinet is established to coordinate the Executive’s efforts. It shall consist of the Delegate and any other position as designated by the Delegate or statutory law. > > …2.2. The following positions are thus established and shall be appointed to the Cabinet with at least the following duties: > …2.2.1. A Minister of Regional Affairs, who shall assist the Delegate in managing the region’s general affairs not covered by other Ministers and lead a Ministry of Regional Affairs to coordinate such efforts. > …2.2.2. A Minister of Foreign Affairs, who shall assist the Delegate in maintaining relations with other regions, advise the Delegate in foreign affairs, and lead a Ministry of Foreign Affairs to coordinate such efforts. > …2.2.3. A Minister of World Assembly Affairs, who shall advise the Delegate in World Assembly matters and lead a Ministry of World Assembly Affairs to coordinate such efforts. > …2.2.4. A Chancellor, who shall encourage discussion throughout the region and lead the University of the East Pacific to coordinate such efforts. > > …2.3. The Overseeing Officer of the Eastern Pacific Sovereign Army, as established by statutory law, shall be appointed to the Cabinet. > > SECTION III. DELEGATE DUTIES AND POWERS > > …3.1. In addition to those duties established by the Concordat and other statutory law, the Delegate’s duties shall include but are not limited to the following: > …3.11. Develop cultural initiatives for the region to participate in. > …3.12. Cast the East Pacific’s vote in the World Assembly or abstain from doing so, in accordance with the region’s interest. > …3.14. Ensure good relations and active communication with the region’s roleplay communities. > …3.15. Guide new Citizens in becoming involved within the region. > …3.1.6. Maintain diplomatic relations with other regions. > …3.1.7. Oversee and lead the Executive branch. > > …3.2. The Delegate reserves the powers to structure the Executive, delegate their duties, and override any decision made by their subordinates, though these powers may be limited by statutory law. > > …3.4. The Delegate or appointee thereof may approve/extend/deny embassy requests to foreign regions on both or either the East Pacific’s forums and the in-game region. > > …3.5. Ministries Executive departments led by Ministers, though the Delegate may appoint Ministers who do not lead a Ministry. Some Ministers may be subordinate to other Ministers. The Chancellor and the Overseeing Officer are considered Ministers. > > …3.6. Any Minister or other executive appointee may be removed from their relevant Executive office by a 2/3 majority Magisterium vote for inactivity, high crimes, treason, or dereliction of duty. Said individual may not serve in the position they were removed from (or equivalent thereof in terms of duties preformed) until the current Delegate leaves office. > > SECTION IV. THE UNIVERSITY > > …4.1. The University of the East Pacific shall be the entity tasked with encouraging thoughtful debate within the region and maintaining a diverse collection of educational publications. > > …4.2. The Chancellor shall impose a Code of Decorum to moderate activity and discussion within the University; any form of publication submitted to the University shall be subject to this Code. > > …4.3. No publication shall be prohibited from publication within the University unless it violates the Code. Beyond the Code, any University publication shall be protected by free speech. > > …4.4. The Bachtendekuppen Memorial Library, a collection of written works, shall be administered as part of the University. ---
**Author:** ![God-Emperor](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/god-emperor/32/11349_2.png) [@God-Emperor](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/God-Emperor)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/2 "2023-07-22T02:24:10Z")
Why the switch from Chancellor to Minister of Education? ---
**Author:** ![Cloud](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/cloud/32/16028_2.png) [@Cloud](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Cloud)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/3 "2023-07-22T12:05:00Z")
It looks good to me, though I did detect a minor spelling mistake here: > 1. Ministries are understood to be Executive departments led by Ministers, tough though the Delegate may appoint Ministers who do not lead a Ministry. Some Ministers may be subordinate to other Ministers. I also have the same question as God-Emperor. Why the switch? ---
**Author:** ![Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/zukchiva/32/15649_2.png) [@Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Zukchiva)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/4 "2023-07-23T15:42:21Z")
Idk how to multi-reply so to ping @Cloud (also cloud, will fix) In my eyes the Chancellor has always been a self-chosen title for the Minister of Education title that we ended up legalizing. TBF so is for the OO of EPSA, so if people want to keep the chancellor title i dont really mind/care either way, honestly. ill change it bacc edit: fixed. also caught another spelling error ---
**Author:** ![God-Emperor](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/god-emperor/32/11349_2.png) [@God-Emperor](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/God-Emperor)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/5 "2023-07-23T16:59:45Z")
Does Section III.4 need to be revised in light of the Chancellor and OO? ---
**Author:** ![Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/zukchiva/32/15649_2.png) [@Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Zukchiva)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/6 "2023-07-23T17:43:45Z")
fixed they probably would be considered ministers per the concordat, but doesnt hurt to be explicit ---
**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 6:52am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/7 "2023-07-31T06:52:52Z")
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**Author:** ![Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/mangegneithe/32/10609_2.png) [@Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Mangegneithe)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/8 "2023-08-01T15:15:04Z")
Never. Minister has always been the Delegate-chosen title for Chancellor. The term Chancellor has been used for years, and “Minister”, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/mangegneithe/32/10609_2.png) [@Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Mangegneithe)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/9 "2023-08-01T15:27:48Z")
I kinda don’t like much of this, but at this moment I struggle to find the patience to write a thorough critique of yet another Executive Act rewrite. I’ll try to get around to it, but I think a lot of it is annoyance with the style change, like “X is understood to be Y” instead of “X shall be Y” or “X is Y” or, in certain cases, removing the understood sentence overall, because it IS understood, and mandated, elsewhere, and doesn’t need to be talked about. Otherwise, I reeaaally don’t like the wording and limitations of the Delegate duties. I recommend: Cast their World Assembly vote according to regional interests; Represent regional interests on the interregional stage; Maintain diplomatic relations; Preserve regional culture; Oversee the University; Lead the military; Ensure good relations and active communication with the region’s roleplay communities; Guide new Citizens in becoming involved within the region; Manage regional Ministers This is based on Serge’s rewrite, my issues there, and your ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/mangegneithe/32/10609_2.png) [@Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Mangegneithe)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/10 "2023-08-01T15:29:23Z")
IV.2 references “Minister of Education” still. Also I don’t like the formatting, can I bully you into conforming to Vussul’s proposed standards? ---
**Author:** ![Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/zukchiva/32/15649_2.png) [@Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Zukchiva)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 2:59am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/11 "2023-08-02T02:59:52Z")
Formatting fixed for now, if the three dot problem is fixed. I refues to remove the neacting line. Removed the understood bits 'cuz you’re right on that For the duty things, I’m not too sure about your wordings. For the World Assembly bit, it’s still pretty much Delegate perogative on how they wanna cast their vote, so I’m not really too comfortable restricting their duty in such a way. I’m not really sure the Delegate holding WA votes is as much an expectation as it is just a way to do things, but in any case I’d feel more comfortable if we explicitly legislated such a process somewhere rather than legislating it in one broad line. The phrase “preserve regional culture” doesn’t make too much sense to me either - culture’s mostly running events, so I think it makes sense to expect the Delegate to run events i merged the oversee/manage/lead things into one clause ---
**Author:** ![Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/mangegneithe/32/10609_2.png) [@Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Mangegneithe)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/12 "2023-08-03T17:10:40Z")
I mean I don’t think mandating that the WAD vote is cast according to “regional interests” is actually restrictive in any way, and personally I think it’s a reasonable expectation. Also, I figured out the issue with the six dots. 3+ dots turns into …, which you must note is not three separate dots, but rather ONE character consisting of three dots. Six dots turns into one … HOWEVER, if you paste in two …, that makes six dots, see: …… That’s how I get six dots in, because I draft on google docs where three periods are autocorrected into … but in Discourse, any number equal to or greater than three are autocorrected into … So just do …… through copypaste I think it’s an anti-spam measure on discourse that just personally affects us. This is what Vussul was trying to say on discord, but yeah. ---
**Author:** ![God-Emperor](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/god-emperor/32/11349_2.png) [@God-Emperor](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/God-Emperor)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:59am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/13 "2023-08-04T03:59:24Z")
If the formatting requires copy/paste to get it correct, I say we not enshrine it in law. ---
**Author:** ![Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/mangegneithe/32/10609_2.png) [@Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Mangegneithe)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/14 "2023-08-04T16:11:31Z")
Good point, but wrong place to make it. > [@\[DISCUSSION\] Legislative Templates](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/discussion-legislative-templates/17147/5): > > I haven’t edited the original post but I created a small version of it here: What does everyone think of this over the OP? ---
**Author:** ![Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/zukchiva/32/15649_2.png) [@Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Zukchiva)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/15 "2023-08-06T18:31:20Z")
hm alr added regional interest thing and the dot thing is annoying rip ---
**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/22 "2023-09-17T13:39:20Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/23 "2023-09-22T13:49:03Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/24 "2023-09-27T14:28:44Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 3:14pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/25 "2023-10-02T15:14:52Z")
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**Author:** ![Halleyscomet08](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/halleyscomet08/32/13088_2.png) [@Halleyscomet08](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Halleyscomet08)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125/26 "2023-10-03T01:14:23Z")
> [@Zukchiva](#): > > SECTION III. DELEGATE DUTIES AND POWERS > > …3.1. In addition to those duties established by the Concordat and other statutory law, the Delegate’s duties shall include but are not limited to the following: > …3.11. Develop cultural initiatives for the region to participate in. > …3.12. Cast the East Pacific’s vote in the World Assembly or abstain from doing so, in accordance with the region’s interest. > …3.14. Ensure good relations and active communication with the region’s roleplay communities. > …3.15. Guide new Citizens in becoming involved within the region. > …3.1.6. Maintain diplomatic relations with other regions. > …3.1.7. Oversee and lead the Executive branch. > > …3.2. The Delegate reserves the powers to structure the Executive, delegate their duties, and override any decision made by their subordinates, though these powers may be limited by statutory law. > > …3.4. The Delegate or appointee thereof may approve/extend/deny embassy requests to foreign regions on both or either the East Pacific’s forums and the in-game region. > > …3.5. Ministries Executive departments led by Ministers, though the Delegate may appoint Ministers who do not lead a Ministry. Some Ministers may be subordinate to other Ministers. The Chancellor and the Overseeing Officer are considered Ministers. > > …3.6. Any Minister or other executive appointee may be removed from their relevant Executive office by a 2/3 majority Magisterium vote for inactivity, high crimes, treason, or dereliction of duty. Said individual may not serve in the position they were removed from (or equivalent thereof in terms of duties preformed) until the current Delegate leaves office. I am against the entirety of this section. Let me give a blow-by-blow of my disagreement: 3.1 (and its subsections). This section, in my opinion, is unnecessary. For better or worse, the Delegate is already considered to be both the Head of State and the Head of Government, meaning that their actions in the executive are already implicitly required to do all of this. By investing executive power into the Delegate, the Concordat compels the Delegate to run the executive government _for the sake of the people_, which already covers this. 3.2 - The Delegate has been always been able to do this, as seen in Article A, Section 6: > The Delegate may appoint Ministers to advise on or perform any of the duties of the Delegate. As a limit, the Delegate may only order a Vizier to assume the full Delegacy. The Delegate may then retake the Delegacy at any time. Further, statutory apportionment of Regional Officer positions or powers shall take primacy over discretionary Minister appointments. The line “The Delegate may then retake the Delegacy at any time.” implies that not only can the Delegate reclaim the role of the Delegacy, it can also reclaim duties invested on the Ministers as well. As such, I also find this unnecessary. 3.4 (what happened to 3.3?) - As the Head of State, they are implicitly allowed to do this: > The Delegate shall represent The East Pacific to foreign entities as Head of State. 3.5 - Further defining Ministers is unnecessary as well, as Ministers have been defined in Article A, Section 6, as persons who advise on or perform on any of the Delegate’s duties. As such, the Chancellor and Overseeing Officer are already considered Ministers under the Concordat. I think the Executive Act is not the appropriate place to define a Ministry either, I feel that it should be established in the Concordat in order to define a Ministry as an innate structure of the Executive. 3.6 - Now here, my biggest problem occurs. Why, exactly, are we allowing the Magisterium to affect the non-Delegate parts of the Executive? The Delegate, as the head of government, should be free to appoint and remove Ministers to their liking, without legislative interference. If we don’t like it, we remove the Delegate themself. Why do we need to perform target removals? In my opinion, it is the prerogative of the Delegate to lead and manage the Executive branch, without having to worry with their Ministers being removed from office by the Magisterium. In my opinion, this section is unnecessary. Most of its clauses have already been adequately explained in the Concordat. In addition, the existence of both 3.2 (in particular, limiting the Executive’s actions in statutory law) and 3.6 limits the Delegate to execute its duties effectively. In addition, do we need to do this, in the sense that things will explode if we can’t cite what duty the Delegate needs to do? I do not see that happening any time soon. If we are to discuss how we should define the Duties of the Delegate, the Executive Act is not the right place to do it in. It should be in the Concordat, such that we can have the Citizen’s perspective doing so. [Next page](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-executive-act-rewrite/17125.md?page=2)