# \[AMENDMENT\] Trial Changes to the Concordat **URL:** \ **Category:** The Magisterium\ **Tags:** proposal, amendment\ **Created:** [April 23, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982 "2024-04-23T19:53:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/mangegneithe/32/10609_2.png) [@Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Mangegneithe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/21 "2024-05-15T22:23:57Z")
> [@Zukchiva](#): > > Why not just the wording I provided? It’s more explicit and unambiguous. I guess. I was mainly approaching it from the perspective of minimalism, which this amendment seems to be desiring. Also more specific means less broad, and Conclave might want to seek order in other ways – the specifics of which I would prefer be regulated by statute rather than Concordat. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/22 "2024-05-17T01:06:30Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/23 "2024-05-18T01:07:07Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/24 "2024-05-20T01:24:37Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/25 "2024-05-22T01:45:16Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 1:59am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/26 "2024-05-24T01:59:44Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/27 "2024-05-26T02:24:01Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 2:37am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/28 "2024-05-28T02:37:29Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 3:05am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/29 "2024-05-31T03:05:06Z")
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**Author:** ![Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/zukchiva/32/15649_2.png) [@Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Zukchiva)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/30 "2024-05-31T20:21:47Z")
I think legally, anyone can at the present. ---
**Author:** ![Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/zukchiva/32/15649_2.png) [@Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Zukchiva)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:26pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/31 "2024-05-31T20:26:29Z")
I guess, but my current Conk amendment should allow that through an Order of Contempt anyways. Maybe an alternate wording: “Residents shall have the right to chosen representation in trial, as limited by statutory law.”? its still relatively short but allows for denial of representation in a defined way ---
**Author:** ![Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/mangegneithe/32/10609_2.png) [@Mangegneithe](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Mangegneithe)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/32 "2024-06-01T21:07:59Z")
Um, sure. The question is if that would make the right essentially non-existent. Which, I mean, I don’t think it’s even necessary to be in the Conk in the first place, but some did argue against removing it. I really don’t think there’s any situation in which we will need to deny representation for any reason other than “They’re not a resident/citizen” and if Orders of Contempt can keep order in the court, then they can already limit representation in that way. I feel like this is somewhat overcomplicating it tbh. ---
**Author:** ![Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/user_avatar/forum.theeastpacific.com/zukchiva/32/15649_2.png) [@Zukchiva](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Zukchiva)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/33 "2024-06-01T21:10:17Z")
Rights can exist within limits. And while youre probably right on the denial bit, Id like to keep it a bit open ended so that if such a caze did arise we can amend a law rather than amend the conk (and thus make the clause bigger). I also dont think an Order can override a right if we dont allow that right to be explicitly limited. ---
**Author:** ![Vussul](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/85f322/32.png) [@Vussul](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/Vussul)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 8:25am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/34 "2024-06-02T08:25:17Z")
The wording has been altered. If there is nothing else. I will motion this to vote tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 8:38am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/35 "2024-06-03T08:38:10Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 9:05am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/36 "2024-06-07T09:05:08Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 9:41am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/37 "2024-06-11T09:41:22Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2024, 10:07am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/38 "2024-06-13T10:07:40Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/uploads/default/original/2X/c/c1fc1f63483989cc6a5c92e407789a95bd080bca.png) [@system](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2024, 10:39am UTC](https://forum.theeastpacific.com/t/amendment-trial-changes-to-the-concordat/17982/39 "2024-06-16T10:39:17Z")
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